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jaklumen
Anything For Love Mark Unseen   Jun 18 03:49 UTC 2003

Usually I'll pass on reality type TV shows, but on Fox's latest 
offering I made an exception.  Julie seems to turn on a lot of stinker 
shows but at this was fun disseminating, that is, commenting on what 
we thought was good and what seemed rather insane.

The first couple was comprised of man who liked to frequent the strip 
clubs and a woman who felt it was straining their marriage.  She 
decided to perform a striptease for him at the club he liked to go 
to.  It was hard for her as she was much more reserved and somewhat 
conservative, but she figured he wanted her to come out of her shell 
somewhat.  We looked at it with a somewhat wary eye because of what we 
know of sex addiction, but he responded pretty favorably once she 
removed the mask she wore to conceal her identity.

Quite a few other stories were a lot of kick-it-to-the-curb scenarios 
where we figured the man or the woman (yeah, there were instances of 
both cases) was just getting dramatic closure.  Both had a similar 
formula where the cheating or straying partner was baited by an actor 
or actress and was watched by the other on concealed cameras.  
Usually, the player was caught giving away a phone number or something 
like that and played down their existing relationship.  They would 
always be greeted at the end by their significant other and dumped, 
and in both instances, neither seemed to think they were doing 
anything wrong.

The really scary story was a woman who decided she needed to get back 
her ex-boyfriend.  She was determined that the woman he'd been living 
with for two years was making him unhappy, so she plastered her face 
and the phrase, "Marry me, not her" on a moving billboard which she 
had carted over to his office.  One of the hosts brought him down and 
coaxed him to tell her the reasons why he wouldn't be with her (as he 
was very polite but made motions to quickly leave).  It was pathetic, 
as she all but begged him on hands and knees.  Julie asked what I 
would do, and I would say I would have run if I were him.  Politeness 
was a nice touch, but I would have made it clear to America-- "Holly, 
you're freaky.  Bye!"

Another girl was brought on the show from Salt Lake by a young man who 
felt she was his soulmate-- they had met three times over the course 
of about three years or so.  This was the only one I thought was 
innocent and not at all scary, because both parties were honest, real, 
and not over the top.  It didn't work out romantically, but both 
handled the situation extremely well.

The last couple decided to 'marry' on the show but took a polygraph 
test to determine some questions about the strength of their 
fidelity.  It was administered by a seasoned professional but I was 
surprised (perhaps it was due to time concerns) that it was limited to 
three questions.  The man was a rocker in a band and the woman had 
concerns about temptation with the other women he'd meet on the road.  
He didn't pass a related question, but he assured her that he was 
merely nervous during that question and was angry and upset about that 
test result... apparently, it was enough.

A little strange all in all but thankfully "Mr. Personality" 
nor "Temptation Island" or "Paradise Hotel" it was not.
24 responses total.
michaela
response 1 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 06:27 UTC 2003

Those shows make me sick.  Keep the drama at home.
mynxcat
response 2 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 14:33 UTC 2003

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jazz
response 3 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 14:37 UTC 2003

        Hmmmm.  I don't buy the concept of sex addiction.  It certainly isn't
an addiction in the most formal sense:

2 : compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin,
nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined
physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use
of a substance known by the user to be harmful

        (Merriam-Webster online)

        Actually, I don't buy the concept of an addictive pattern of
behavior.  Most assuredly there are patterns of behavior that are difficult
to change, but the origins and treatment are so different from how you'd
deal with an addiction to a habit-forming substance as to really make the
term counterproductive.
jaklumen
response 4 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 18:59 UTC 2003

re resp:1 and resp:2 telling-- no offense, but I'd expect that from 
you, Sapna.  I don't think I'll watch the show again.  Not enough 
sweet stories and yep, too much sick.

resp:3 I disagree.  Different, but it is still an addiction-- just not 
in the physiological sense that goes with substance abuse.  If you 
don't want to call it addiction, call it some other stripe of self-
destructive behavior, because there are some people who do indulge in 
stuff like this and can't seem to stop.
jazz
response 5 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 19:48 UTC 2003

        I've had a reasonable exposure to the field over the last decade and
a half, and I don't think I've seen anything I could characterize that way.
But it might just be the way I label things internally.  I'm thinking what
you're talking about might be related to the way that people who are very
socially adept - sometimes because of their social skills, but often because
of their appearance - tend to disregard the feelings of others when it comes
to their own actions.  But that's not complete, either.  Can you elaborate,
or provide a (no names) example?
jaklumen
response 6 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 00:57 UTC 2003

I'm talking about people that chase sex for the rush, that seem to 
prefer hardcore pornography and identifiable smut to real 
relationships-- or seem to let them creep in a drive a wedge in their 
relationships.  Compulsions, obsessions that don't seem to be 
conducive to communication, sharing, et cetera-- that they are 
secretive of, lie about, try to cover up.  People that believe sex is 
their most important need and that orgasm is the most important need, 
sometimes almost a fix.

This has been discussed a little bit in the recovery cf, and the thing 
that it seems to be marginalized somewhat by the fact that religious 
groups most often advocate therapy and help.  But I still think SA and 
SAA exist for a reason-- apparently it's a problem to some people.

jazz
response 7 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 04:30 UTC 2003

        I've gone through some of the SA literature on the web, and the only
difference between this and what I was talking about earlier is that SA says
that the person "no longer has the power of choice."

        I'm not sure what to think about SA.  It seems, to me, that they're
trying to lump together a number of possibly coincidental but different
problems under the same framework that Alcoholics Anonymous uses to to treat
alcohol abuse, and which has been successfully adapted to a couple of other
ailments, but failed at others.  It seems to complicated an undertaking to
handle with such an approach.

        For instance, one thing they discuss a great deal on associations'
pages seems to be a common sort of depression and low self-esteem combined
with using sex as both a release and a means of validation.  That's quite
different from a developed fetish for pornography, where prepared sexual media
replaces human sexual interaction.  And it's quite different from
exhibitionism and social anxiety disorder in a sexual situation.  I don't see
a single coherent syndrome.
vidar
response 8 of 24: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 13:22 UTC 2003

I avoid "reality" TV shows like the plague they are.  There's hardly 
any reality to them.
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