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sj2
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Hamas victory - Democracy "In-your-face"
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Jan 27 12:13 UTC 2006 |
So Bush and Co. wanted to spread democracy through the Middle east. Why
not? The second largest democracy in the world wanted other countries to
enjoy the fruits of a people based political system. But look what
happened. The Palestinian people gave a resounding victory to Hamas in
the recent elections. Bush, Israel and others promptly responded by
saying they won't negotiate with Hamas. So do we only like democracy if
it elects people we like? Is that what Bush and Co. are saying?
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twenex
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Jan 27 12:20 UTC 2006 |
Why should anyone deal with a group which engages in politics, with the threat
of guns if they don't get what they want?
You can't have both.
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fitz
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Jan 27 13:30 UTC 2006 |
1. Chile
2. Nicaragua
3. Iran
They short answer is 'yes'. We do only like democracies that elect people
we like.
Feel free to add other democracies the US subverted in the name of global
control. Those were the easy ones.
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sj2
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response 3 of 57:
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Jan 27 13:48 UTC 2006 |
On the other hand, Hamas leadership must realise for sure that for all
the sabre rattling of destroying Israel, thats no longer an option. So
its going to be interesting how the two parties come to the negotiating
table (screaming and kicking) and shake hands. They both know the only
way out is to talk and figure out the mess. If they don't then both know
they will continue to have live in the same mess. This wasn't
particularly true with Fatah whose leaders were more concerned with
lining their pockets rather than worry about Palestine's future.
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jadecat
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response 4 of 57:
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Jan 27 14:49 UTC 2006 |
resp:0 Yup.
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aruba
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response 5 of 57:
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Jan 27 16:09 UTC 2006 |
Re #2:
4. Venezuela
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tod
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Jan 27 17:20 UTC 2006 |
I don't think Hamas will be any more effective than Fatah. In the end, those
at the top made off with billions donated to their causes from other nations
rather than injecting the much needed revenues into practical governance.
What you wind up with is anarchy fueled by small arms deals from opposing
governments.
The only way Palestine is ever going to get its ass straightened out is to
be chopped up like Berlin was after WWII. Nobody is going to suggest it and
nobody is going to accept it so...
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klg
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Jan 27 17:28 UTC 2006 |
Practically speaking, what was the dif between Fatah & Hamas, anyway?
And why not let the world see how the "palestinians" really feel?
Now that the rest of the world knows what they have on under their
burkas, the Israelis can do what needs to be done to protect themselves
without having to worry so much about what the "international
community" thinks.
The election outcome ought to be considered "a blessing in disguise."
And, just perhaps, when the "palestinians" begin to see how Hamas makes
their lives even worse than before, a real alternative may begin to
arise.
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mcnally
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Jan 27 17:47 UTC 2006 |
What I think is the most interesting question here (and one for which
I have no answer) is: several years down the road, should the Palestinian
people be dissatisfied with the situation under Hamas' leadership, will
they be allowed another (relatively) free and fair election to vote them
out? And if they vote them out, will Hamas relinquish power?
The history of Africa is full of "elected" despots, who came to power in
a comparatively fair election and then rigged the system so they never
risked losing it again, at least not by the ballot box. Will Hamas set
up that kind of system?
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