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aruba
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Progress of the ACLU suit
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Jun 9 20:09 UTC 1999 |
This item is for discussion of progress on the suit the ACLU is bringing
against the Michigan Internet Censorship Act.
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aruba
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response 1 of 316:
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Jun 9 20:27 UTC 1999 |
I got a call today from Marshall Widick, of Sachs, Waldman, O'Hare,
Helveston, Bogas & McIntosh, P.C. He is one of the lawyers who is doing
the legal work for the ACLU's suit, and he will be Grex's primary
contact. He told me the basic schedule of the case will be something like
this:
- The lawyers will collect "declarations" from all the plaintiffs, to
establish that they have standing in the case. (That is, to establish
that the law will adversely effect them in an unconstitutional way.)
- They'll file a complaint, followed by a motion for preliminary
injunction against the law.
- The court will set a date to hear the request for preliminary
injunction.
- Assuming the preliminary injunction is granted, the ACLU will move for a
summary judgement to dismiss the law. If that's granted, it's all over;
otherwise, it proceeds as any lawsuit would. The other side could ask to
interview someone from Grex, and someone from Grex might be asked to
testify.
Mr. Widick faxed me (via danr) an outline for our declaration. He would
like the finished document by early next week at the latest. Jan and I
plan to work on it tonight.
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aruba
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response 2 of 316:
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Jun 9 20:28 UTC 1999 |
Here's the outline (any typos are mine):
Outline for Plaintiff Declarations
I. Background.
A. Identity/position of declarant.
B. Qualifications and background of declarant.
C. Who is the jural entity (Co., non-profit Co., d/b/a).
D. Description of plaintiff and character of online services.
E. Any mission of/public service provided by plaintiff.
F. If limited, description of resources of plaintiff.
II. Online materials provided by plaintiff organization.
A. Number and location of users of plaintiff's online materials. (Cite
hits and unique hosts where possible.)
B. How a user accesses plaintiff's online materials.
C. Description and form of content provided by plaintiff and users of
plaintiff's site.
1. Plaintiff uses Internet, as defined in the Act.
2. Why "knowing" requirement would bring plaintiff within the scope of
the Act.
3. Specify types of material, e.g. BBS, forums, chat rooms, etc., that
are accessible through the plaintiff's Web site, how users can
access them, and the types of content available.
D. Any redeeming social purpose served by plaintiff's site.
E. Any reason why the plaintiff's materials would be particularly relevant
to minors.
F. All material on plaintiff's Web site is available to all users, whether
adult or minor.
III. Plaintiff organization fears prosecution under the Act.
A. Specific examples of content provided by the plaintiff organization
that may be considered "sexually explicit." (Attach exhibits from
Web site.)
B. Plaintiff organization fears prosecution and, if the Act is not
enjoined, it will either have to risk criminal prosecution or terminate
its online services.
C. Explain why plaintiff thinks its content is covered by the Act.
1. Act applies to written material, articles, recordings, etc.
2. Act applies to commercial and non-commercial Web sites.
3. Plaintiff does not know what "sexually explicit" covers; different
people and communities have different opinions.
4. Out of state plaintiffs are unaware of Michigan community
standards.
D. Plaintiff does not know how to prevent minors from accessing materials
without preventing adults.
E. Plaintiff cannot segregate content that is permitted in Michigan from
that which is permitted in the rest of the world.
F. Plaintiff also fears liability for content posted by others.
1. Plaintiff is unable to constantly monitor the content posted by
others on its services.
IV. Age verification on the Internet is not feasible
A. Credit card verification is not technologically and economically
feasible.
1. Requires a commercial transaction.
2. To charge for providing free content would be prohibitively
expensive, especially for small or non-profit organizations.
a. Cost per transaction.
b. Set up and maintenance costs.
c. Impossible to screen all material in order to separate harmful
to minors content out. Even if possible, would have to hire
counsel to label what would be considered harmful to minors.
Credit card verification would have to apply.
B. Debit account is not technologically and economically feasible.
C. Adult access code and adult personal identification number is not
technologically and economically feasible.
D. Digital certificates are not technologically and economically feasible.
E. No other "good faith" means to verify age or restrict content.
F. "Service provider" defense: With respect to communications made by
others on its online services, plaintiff does not know if it would be
considered a "service provider" of the communication.
1. (If interactive Web site) Plaintiff knows others use or may use
plaintiff's Web site to disseminate material that is "sexually
explicit."
2. Plaintiff would still be subject to a "heckler's veto" by anyone
who wanted to claim that a minor intends to access plaintiff's Web
site.
V. Even if verification possible, would destroy unique features of Web and
would economically harm plaintiffs.
A. Plaintiff believes that its patrons should be able to access its
materials on an anonymous basis and reasons why.
B. Plaintiff believes that asking for verification/identification would
chill use of its online materials.
1. Verification would limit speed of access to site and flexibility of
Web-linking.
2. Verification would chill use by those seeking to protect
privacy/anonymity.
VI. Vagueness: Plaintiff cannot understand what actions might lead to
prosecution under the Act. Plaintiff cannot determine if it may be
subject to criminal liability for the content that it provides.
Specifically, plaintiff does not understand:
1. Community: Out-of-state plaintiffs cannot know Michigan community
standards.
2. Material as a whole: Does this mean the entire site, a web page, a
single image?
3. "Sexually explicit"
4. Knowing: What does it mean? What does it modify? Must plaintiff
know that the specific minor is in Michigan?
5. "Good faith" requirement for using service
provider/librarian/college defenses.
VII. Impact of Act on plaintiff
A. If Act not enjoined plaintiff will: 1) self-censor; 2) risk
prosecution; or 3) don't know. ("Don't know" is as good an answer as
any because the real harm caused by the law is the chill it puts on
speech that would be close to the line or on legitimate speech among
adults.
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richard
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response 3 of 316:
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Jun 9 22:15 UTC 1999 |
declaration of resources...? does that mean grex has to provide copies of
its financial records and bank statements.
for the answer to VIII, If Act not enjoined, plaintiff will...I think
grex should boldly state "risk prosecution" because I clearly recall this
being the sentiment when the possibility was brought up during the CDA
debate.
Although its reasonable to suggest that if there is a member vote on
joining this suit, that a second question be posed as to how grex should
answer this.
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janc
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response 4 of 316:
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Jun 10 03:23 UTC 1999 |
There are some people involved in Grex who have said they would continue to
run Grex in defiance of the law. There are others who feel if we can't
run within the law, we shouldn't run. There are others who would be
unwilling to risk doing jail time for Grex. I don't know what we would
end up doing. Likely different people would do different things.
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janc
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response 5 of 316:
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Jun 10 03:24 UTC 1999 |
It would be nice to have an example of a filled out outline. I'm not
sure I understand all of this.
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janc
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response 6 of 316:
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Jun 10 03:41 UTC 1999 |
Some questions:
I'm assuming that we aren't being asked to actually write this in outline
form, but to write a prose document hitting these points in roughly this
order. Is that correct?
About how long is the finished declaration expected to be?
I.A: Is the "declarant" the person writing the declaration?
I.F: What kinds of resources are we talking about? Does anyone have unlimited
resources of any type?
Hmmm...I thought I'd have more questions, but acutally, most of this makes
good sense.
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scg
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response 7 of 316:
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Jun 10 03:42 UTC 1999 |
I'm no longer a board member. I'm not a very active staff member. I'm
guessing I could drop out of any positions of responsibility without being
missed much, so take this for what it's worth (not much). At this point in
my life, I don't think I'd be willing to risk jail time for Grex. If Grex
were to put itself in blatant violation of a law that was likely to be
enforced, I would probably end my official involvement with the system,
although I would likely continue to be a user of the system, if there was a
system left to use.
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