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mta
Fit and Fat Mark Unseen   Sep 4 22:22 UTC 1998

After perusing this conference for a while, I can't help but be astonished
and dismayed at the amount of "diet" and "weight-loss" talk.

I feel the need to point out, current cultural obsessions aside, that it *is*
possible to be fit and healthy and also fat.

As a matter of fact, some research (squelched by the mainstream media and the
medical community to a large extent, but out there if you look) suggests that
the reason that in spite of 15 years and more of a cultural obsession with
diets and working out, the average weight of a citizen in the US is rising
is indde *because* of that obsession.

I won't say that I'm fit right at the moment -- I lost most of my fitness
after my thyroid went on strike in 1991 and am just beginning to get my muscle
tone and stamina back after being on synthroid for 15 months -- but I *have*
been both fit and fat.  I could and did walk 17 miles a day because I didn't
have a drivers license or access to a car.  I never got thin.

I want to get my fitness back -- I loved it!  But I don't particularly care
whether I lose weight or gain it in the process.

Some of my methods?  I walk.  I dance.  I skip and twirl and wriggle just
ebcause it feels good!  I occasionally swim.  It's going to take a while
because I refuse to do anything that's boring.  Life is too short for that
-- so no aerobics classes or weightlifting regimines for me.  

So, what kind of movement do other folks do just because it's fun?
61 responses total.
scott
response 1 of 61: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 11:30 UTC 1998

I do karate, which is *very* interesting mentally as well as a good workout.

I also bike a fair amount, which was stopped for a while because of my goofed
shoulder, but now restarted with a recumbent bike.  
keesan
response 2 of 61: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 13:20 UTC 1998

We bike as transportation, not as fun, but it is enjoyable.  We bike 3-5 miles
a day normally and longer if visiting or shopping.  Do you have a bike?
We also enjoy gardening and housebuilding, which is exercise, and hanging up
the laundry is good stretching I suppose.
mta
response 3 of 61: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 13:39 UTC 1998

Nope, I don't have a bike -- Larry bought me one for my birthday a few years
ago and it was stolen from my son before I'd ridden it more than twice.

Actually, I prefer walking to bikes.  I like the feel of the earth under my
feet a little too much, I guess. ;)

I've heard that Tai Chi is a very interesting art form and not too difficul\t
in the early stages of learning.  (Difficult to get really right, but doable
even for the rank novice is what I've understood...)
rickyb
response 4 of 61: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 15:56 UTC 1998

Tai Chi is a bit like slow motion karate.  It can be very helpful both as
exercise and relaxation (mind and body).

There was a recent study done of a few thousand people who actually lost
weight (>20lbs I think was the criteria) and kept it off for more than a year.
In some cases, 2-5 years.

The study found that the vast majority of these people did _not_ diet, or make
any real special effort to lose weight.  Instead, they either deliberatly or
otherwise just happened to change their life habits.  some increased
activities, some reduced eating (volume, not fat/calories/etc), and the like.
most found that after some time, they just didn't eat unless they were
actually hungry (get away from the dinner clock), but that they _always_ ate
something when they were hungry.  Result, frequent, small meals instead of
2-3 big ones ("grazing"?).

none cut out the favorites like candy, cakes, cookies, booze, etc.  They just
cut down on the amounts.  That way they never really felt they were depriving
themselves and the weight just fell off.

I had a similar experience ove the last 1.5 years or so.  Without any
conscious effort, I now find I eat a bit less at meals (and I _love_ to eat!)
and I discovered I lost >10lbs.  A few weeks ago I got a bit of gastritis and
didn't want to eat at all for awhile and another 8lbs fell off, 5 of which
I put right back on when I felt better, but I'm trying to avoid letting those
last 3 creep up.  If I can lose 5-10lbs _per year_ for the next couple of
years I'll be more than happy.

beeswing
response 5 of 61: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 17:34 UTC 1998

Misti I feel your pain. :o

I am 26, 5'9" and ain't telling how much I weigh. But I am a sie 12/14.
I am not "huge" but am not skinny either.I like walking, biking and 
weights. I am not too keen on aerobics. I have been a "big girl" my 
whole life pretty much. I was my thinnest in 9th grade, when puberty 
kicked in with a vengeance and everything kinda shifted, shall we say. 
I was a size 10, but was 5'6" at the time. I still thought I was fat! 

Well I tried eating better foods. I exercised 4x a week. Ate only when 
I was hungry or to stave off a crash (I am hypoglycemic). I lost 6 
pounds relatively quickly. Like in 2 weeks.

That was months ago, and I am totally stuck. My body doesn't seem to 
want to let go of any fat in its cells. I am so discouraged!

I don't want to be skinny. A size 10 would be ok with me. I wouldn't 
want to be lower than an 8. I'm pretty muscular for a girl and that's 
ok. Having a little more fat than I need is restrictive to me, and 
besides it will only be harder to lose as I get older, especially if I 
have kids. There are some clothes I don't get because they are not as 
flattering on me than on a person who is thinner. This annoys me. And 
though no one would call me obese to look at me, according to the 
charts, I am. That bothers me.

But it is so frustrating to do all the right things and then nothing 
happens. Or i even gain! What's going on? I can accept myself but it's 
hard knowing I could be so much better. 
keesan
response 6 of 61: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 22:24 UTC 1998

Jim knows someone who lost a lot of weight by going vegetarian (he says).
Misti, would you like a bike?  If you bike instead of driving you will
automatically get lots of exercise.  Walking is simply not fast enough to
substitute for driving long distances.
        We are still trying to gain weight.  Peanut butter and olive oil are
about the only two high-calorie vegan possibilities (sesame oil is rather
strong tasting but okay on salads).
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