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sj2
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Your favourite audio storage format
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Oct 15 08:52 UTC 2003 |
I have several tapes and CDs. While tapes suffer from quality , CDs
suffer from scratches after repeated usage.
So whats your favourite storage media?
I was looking at DAT. Looks like it has the best of both the worlds.
But its not as popular as tape or CD. Anyone using DAT to store audio
(in non mp3 format). Do you own a DAT player??
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mynxcat
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response 1 of 85:
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Oct 15 12:25 UTC 2003 |
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krj
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response 2 of 85:
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Oct 15 13:24 UTC 2003 |
My observation is that geezers like me who grew up handling vinyl,
very carefully, don't scratch the CDs. In particular, every CD goes
back in its box as soon as it comes out of the player.
If the player itself is scratching the CDs, then the player is
broken.
Some of the CDs I get out of the library are so scratched, I have trouble
imagining what the other users are doing to them.
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mynxcat
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response 3 of 85:
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Oct 15 13:44 UTC 2003 |
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anderyn
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response 4 of 85:
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Oct 15 13:47 UTC 2003 |
They do? I keep my cds in their cases, except when they're being played. How
do they get scratched?!
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gull
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response 5 of 85:
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Oct 15 13:50 UTC 2003 |
It's not that much work. In my experience there are only two things you
have to do to keep CDs unscratched:
- Put them back in the jewel box when you're done playing them.
and...
- Put them back in the jewel box when you're done playing them.
Really, that's it. A CD wallet will work too, though not quite as well.
CDs get scratched when you set them down, playing side down, on some
random surface. The dust and grit that are always around will
inevitably scratch them if you do that. If you look carefully at a
jewel box, you'll realize only the center hub actually touches anything
while the CD is inside it.
I've never had a CD get badly scratched (enough to affect playback) this
way. The only exception is a disc that a defective CD-ROM drive dumped
back in the tray while it was still spinning.
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slynne
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response 6 of 85:
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Oct 15 14:58 UTC 2003 |
Isnt that funny. I grew up with vinyl and really like CD's because they
arent easy to scratch. I think I have one scratch that effects play on
one CD in my *whole* collection. I do tend to put them back into their
case after listening to them though. Just like I wouldnt have ever left
vinyl records laying around.
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carson
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response 7 of 85:
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Oct 15 15:09 UTC 2003 |
(I wouldn't recommend DATs unless you're recording audio pieces of
considerable length [i.e., a half-hour radio program] or something where
you don't want to skip around from track to track. minidiscs are a good
option; I seem to remember that the format uses a cartridge medium, which
is more resistant to scratches than exposed media such as vinyl and CDs.)
(right now, my preferred format is either MP3 or OGG on a CD. as a
recovering music collector, I owned a LOT of singles and maxi-singles, and
there's really no point in this day an age to have just 1-4 songs on a
disc when you can rip and combine.)
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keesan
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response 8 of 85:
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Oct 15 15:10 UTC 2003 |
Most of the music I own is vinyl records (purchased at $4/bag or about 10
cents each). I also have tapes of library CDs, the ones I can find that
someone else did not destroy. We got six good ones recently.
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scott
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response 9 of 85:
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Oct 15 15:19 UTC 2003 |
Minor scratches it CDs can be polished out using toothpaste.
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krj
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response 10 of 85:
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Oct 15 16:44 UTC 2003 |
((( Fall Agora item 92 linked as Music item 162 )))
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mcnally
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response 11 of 85:
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Oct 15 17:15 UTC 2003 |
Whenever I borrow a CD from the library I'm appalled by the scratches
on it. I can only ever recall having scratched two of my own CDs
beyond repair (out of nearly 1500) -- one of them I dropped on a
gravel driveway, and the other got mangled by the CD player when I
didn't set it in the tray properly and then tried to close the drawer.
Lots of people must have bad CD-handling habits, though, because quite
frequently when I borrow a CD from the library or rent a DVD from the
video store the disc looks as though it's been sandblasted.
Like the other respondents who say they have no problem with their CDs
I don't feel like I do anything particularly special to care for mine --
I just always keep them in the jewel boxes when they're not in the player.
Lately, however, my CDs are even less likely to suffer mishap, as I've
switched almost exclusively to MP3s for listening. My record collection
was too large to haul to Alaska when I moved this summer so it's in
storage in Michigan. Before I left Washington, however, I ripped every
album I own to MP3 and put them all on an external 100Gbyte drive that
I can fit in a backpack. My originals are all protected and I can carry
my music with me wherever I go.
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gull
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response 12 of 85:
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Oct 15 18:11 UTC 2003 |
Re #7: My main complaint about minidisc is it's proprietary. That makes it
both expensive and more likely to disappear. I just can't shake the feeling
that it's likely to become the digital equivalent of 8-track tape.
Re #11: I wonder if the problem is all the hype that surrounded CDs when
they first came out. I can remember salesmen claiming they were "virtually
indestructable." Maybe people believed that a bit too well.
I, too, have taken to ripping my CDs to MP3 and burning discs with several
albums on them, mostly for use in the car. (This is, of course, technically
illegal.)
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scott
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response 13 of 85:
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Oct 15 18:36 UTC 2003 |
Actually if you keep the CDs and don't give/sell copies to other people you're
technically legal.
I still prefer CDs. I reload my computers often enough to not want to bother
with hard drive storage, plus I'd rather not compromise sound quality with
MP3 or other lossy-compression format. I'll use Minidiscs in the car and on
trips, though.
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goose
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response 14 of 85:
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Oct 15 19:02 UTC 2003 |
DAT is not what you want as a long term archive. DATs will self destruct,
sometimes in very short amounts of time. DAT is barely used in the
professional arena anymore, so machines and media will probably be hard to
find in the near future. DAT is dying. I have a DAT and enough tape to keep
me going for a while, but I only power it up about once every three months.
I make copies of all the CDs I buy and play those, keeping the originals in
their boxes. With bulk CD-Rs at the sub-thirty cent level it's not a big
expenditure. I just do them in small batches when I can so it's not a big
time drain. I'm about 1/2 way through backing up my whole collection.
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slynne
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response 15 of 85:
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Oct 15 19:42 UTC 2003 |
I have a question for folks. I have been thinking about buying an mp3
player so that I can listen to music while I am walking my dogs. I have
no idea how to turn my cd's into mp3's. I assume it is legal. Is there
special software a person has to buy to do this. Also, what is a good
mp3 player? Is it possible to get one that can be used in the car too?
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orinoco
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response 16 of 85:
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Oct 15 19:56 UTC 2003 |
If you break the little plastic fangs that hold the CD in the jewel box, then
the jewel box doesn't give any protection against scratches anymore. I
learned that the hard way.
Also, keeping CDs in a disk wallet makes it much easier to scratch them. I
learned that the hard way too.
So it's harder to damage CDs, but not impossible.
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keesan
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response 17 of 85:
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Oct 15 20:44 UTC 2003 |
Slynne, would you like a walkman type tape deck and a tape recorder?
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slynne
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response 18 of 85:
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Oct 15 21:13 UTC 2003 |
No. I dont have tapes and find they are kind of a pain. I want to go
tapeless. Thanks for the offer though. :)
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mcnally
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response 19 of 85:
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Oct 15 21:40 UTC 2003 |
re #162:
> I have no idea how to turn my cd's into mp3's. I assume it is legal.
It seems to be.
> Is there special software a person has to buy to do this?
You do need software which will "rip" (extract the digital audio
information from your CDs) and then encode to MP3, but there are
plenty of packages you can download for free that will do that.
If you want a polished package with a graphical user interface,
MusicMatch is a fairly decent choice. I think the ripping speed
in the free download version is limited but it'll work.
If you want more faithful audio reproduction, I am very happy
with the results I get from "lame", which can be downloaded
freely. However, although it's not difficult to use it's also
not a polished package for beginners.
> Also, what is a good mp3 player?
I strongly recommend the Apple iPod. It's an excellent mp3 player,
and refurbished 10 Gbyte models were recently selling for $169 from
Apple. If you're planning on doing something much more active than
walking (for example jogging or aerobics) you might want to choose a
different type of mp3 player. Right now there are two main types of
mp3 devices -- the hard-disk-based players like the iPod and solid-state
players that use built-in memory or flash memory cards and have no
moving parts. Although the solid-state-storage players offer far
less storage than the disk-based players they're less delicate and
more robust for high-impact exercise situations.
> Is it possible to get one that can be used in the car too?
Yes. Almost any mp3 player will work with the accessory kits they
sell for car use. I've got one for my iPod that has a small
battery-powered FM retransmitter. I turn on the iPod and the
retransmitter and listen to the music on my car radio. If your
car stereo has a tape deck you might prefer an adaptor with a
cassette interface. Best of all, if your car stereo has an audio
input jack you don't need a special gizmo at all, just a cable.
I'm compelled to say again how much I really, really, really, like
my iPod. Although I'm eagerly waiting for someone to produce an
even better device, I don't think its disk-based competitors are
in its class yet.
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slynne
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response 20 of 85:
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Oct 15 21:54 UTC 2003 |
I guess you can use an iPod with a PC? I am going to do a little
research on that.
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mcnally
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response 21 of 85:
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Oct 15 22:05 UTC 2003 |
Yes. Though originally they only came in the Mac version,
now there's a Mac version and a PC version. You can also
convert one to the other by re-flashing the firmware, so
it's not an insurmountable problem if you wind up with the
wrong type.
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sj2
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response 22 of 85:
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Oct 16 09:35 UTC 2003 |
The flash-disk MP3 players are cool though. I think you can go upto
512MB on them. They connect to the USB port of your PC and appear as a
disk drive to your PC, so you can transfer files easily (no drivers
required). You can also use them for regular file transfers between
PCs apart from use as an MP3 player. And most of them have a FM radio
built-in too. RCA, Siemens, iRiver etc have several good models.
And they are really small.
Or you could buy a portable MP3-CD player.
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gull
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response 23 of 85:
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Oct 16 13:49 UTC 2003 |
Re #13: I've heard it's illegal because computer CD-RW devices are not
covered by the Home Recording Act. Only audio CD-RW burners (that take
the special audio blanks) are. Realistically, though, no one is going
to be hauled into court over this.
Re #19: LAME is my pick of stand-alone encoder, too. It's generally
rated highly in tests. Please don't use Bladeenc. Trust me, it's awful.
For audio ripping I like Exact Audio Copy. It does a great job
extracting audio even from damaged CDs. I even used it to salvage a
scratched CD, once.
The disadvantage of doing it this way is it's a two-step process. There
are products out there like RealJukebox that can rip and encode in one
step, but I haven't used them so I can't comment on the quality.
I like MP3-CD players because the media is so cheap. I can fit over a
hundred songs on a single CD-R blank. They're bulky so they're probably
not the best choice for jogging, but they work great in the car. I have
two of them, a portable one (that can be used with a tape adapter) and
an in-dash one I bought later.
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mcnally
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response 24 of 85:
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Oct 16 16:28 UTC 2003 |
I considered a portable MP3/CD player but ultimately decided that
they weren't portable enough for me -- they're too large to fit in
most pockets and if I can't tuck it away in a pocket and take it
with me then chances are I won't get a lot of use out of a portable
device. In my opinion the iPod is about as large as I'd like to go
(at least without a compelling reason for it to be larger, such as
video capabilities requiring a bigger screen) and one of the chief
attractions of the flash memory players is that they are smaller still -
*much* smaller in some cases. Smaller is better, at least until the
small form factor starts interfering too much with other engineering
goals, such as battery life and user interface.
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