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buddy
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The EMINEM item
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Aug 7 00:17 UTC 2002 |
The EMINEM item
Okay i thought that since their is such a big controversy behind EMINEM, that
their should be an item about him. I myself, at first was not a very big
EMINEM fan, but within the last year i have grown very close to his music.
I think that his latest cd is his best work yet. I'm sure that everyone out
there probably has an opinion about EMINEM, and i am interested in knowing
what that opinion is. Enter whatever your feelings may be on this subject here
whether they are good or bad.
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jaklumen
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response 1 of 51:
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Aug 7 10:47 UTC 2002 |
I'm not going to begrudge his talent at all-- I've found his rhymes to
be quite catchy. But he is quite the cynical and angry young man,
which, well, is nothing new in the biz.
Much to his chargrin, too, he is successfully marketed to white middle
to lower middle class males, some looking for an excuse to rebel, and a
few young women who think he's such a cute bad boy. I'm sure he's
looking for strong approval from hip-hop's core fan base, which was
originally black and ghetto. Maybe that's why Dr. Dre hasn't left him
just yet.
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buddy
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response 2 of 51:
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Aug 7 20:20 UTC 2002 |
Well jack i'm happy that you don't find his music repulsive.And thanks for
responding to this item.
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cyklone
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response 3 of 51:
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Aug 8 00:53 UTC 2002 |
Re #1: If you delved into his history, I think you'd know that he has already
earned respect from the "original" black hip hop fan base. As Charles Barkley
once said "Who ever thought the best golfer would be black and the best rapper
white?"
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buddy
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response 4 of 51:
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Aug 8 01:13 UTC 2002 |
I salute you cyklone! and thanks for responding to this item.
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jaklumen
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response 5 of 51:
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Aug 8 09:04 UTC 2002 |
Charles Barkley? Hmm, I guess I wasn't thinking of him as a
representative..
to be honest, I don't doubt he had a strong black fan base to start,
but I guess I'm focusing more on "does his current fame really reflect
that-- a continuing support and respect?" Whenever I hear Eminem on
the street, it's not from some black ghetto dude's ride-- it's some
white boy's car.
I might be misevaluating this, but it's a pattern. The same thing
happened to Vanilla Ice when he hit stardom-- the strong black fan base
dwindled, and he went into the white middle class mainstream. Marshall
Mathers is actively fighting this, but the fact he talks about it seems
to indicate it's still there.
btw, Mary, thanks for entering a contemporary item.. I don't have much
to add on British Isle folk music elsewhere in the cf ;)
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cyklone
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response 6 of 51:
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Aug 8 12:49 UTC 2002 |
Did Vanilla Ice ever align himself with a group like D12? Eminem raps about
his role as a white boy because it's part of the reality of his music world.
He can't do anything about it. But my impression is that he has not lost any
credibility with non-whites simply because white kids like him too. I know
people associated with D12, which is, in part, how I formed that impression.
I would be careful about attempting to draw meaningful conclusions from your
observations of what you are hearing on the street. How much time do you spend
driving around in predominantly black neighborhoods?
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scott
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response 7 of 51:
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Aug 8 18:25 UTC 2002 |
The difference between Eminem and Vanilla Ice is that VI never really had any
support from or understanding of the black rap culture.
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buddy
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response 8 of 51:
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Aug 8 22:17 UTC 2002 |
Re #5 it was no problem at all. I was happy to enter this item.
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jaklumen
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response 9 of 51:
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Aug 9 06:23 UTC 2002 |
Boy, my foot is tasting good.
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buddy
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response 10 of 51:
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Aug 9 13:12 UTC 2002 |
Well i had a good experience last night. I had my mom listen to "Hailie's
Song" on THE EMINEM SHOW hoping that it might change her opinion of EMINEM
even just a little bit. After she listened to the song, she thought he was
a good guy as a father anyways.When she heard how passionate/sensitive he was
when it came to his daughter i think it changed her mind about him a little
bit. I was really happy for that.She's still not that fond of him, except when
it comes to being a father because he seems to be really good to his daughter
because he helps her in any way that he can and would do anything for her.
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grangerz
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response 11 of 51:
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Aug 13 00:08 UTC 2002 |
i like eminem
i relate to eminem
if you dont like eminem then dont listen to him
theres always contreversy because people like to control other people
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buddy
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response 12 of 51:
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Aug 13 00:24 UTC 2002 |
I totally agree with sean. Thanks for responding to the item sean!
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happyboy
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response 13 of 51:
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Aug 13 19:40 UTC 2002 |
re11: hey, no way would i want to interfere with your identifying
with M&M. if you want to identify with a cracker-ass-nugget
GO FOR IT!
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buddy
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response 14 of 51:
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Aug 14 16:27 UTC 2002 |
Well yesterday EMINEM'S "Cleaning out my closet" was at #1 on TRL. Hopefully
it will be again today.
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buddy
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response 15 of 51:
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Aug 14 18:14 UTC 2002 |
Yes! EMINEM's "Cleaning out my closet" was at #1 today on TRL. Way to go
EMINEM!
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orinoco
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response 16 of 51:
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Aug 15 01:34 UTC 2002 |
Liking Eminem is a bit like believing in UFO's, I think. Everyone's got
their own opinion, and nobody's budging. Most people who don't like him
have concrete reasons for it: he's a borderline-psychotic misogynistic
self-worshipping wanker. (And don't try to argue with that. In their
heart of hearts even the most avid Eminem fans, the ones who claim he's a
brilliant artist giving a voice to alienated white America, think he's a
borderline-psychotic misogynistic self-worshipping wanker.) Most people
who do like him also have concrete reasons for it: he's a clever lyricist,
his rhythm's as good as anyone else out there, and he's a real genius at
playing around with his fame and reputation.
And what I've found is, there's no arguing with the other side. His
detractors are sure that hateful lyrics are the root of all evil, and his
fans are convinced that bland, sappy music is the root of all evil.
There's not much you can do about that sort of disagreement.
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tpryan
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response 17 of 51:
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Aug 16 21:27 UTC 2002 |
But if EminEm was not there, then no one would be able to
parody EminEm.
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happyboy
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response 18 of 51:
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Aug 17 20:18 UTC 2002 |
"alienated white america"
i may cry now. *sniffle*
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jaklumen
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response 19 of 51:
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Aug 19 05:36 UTC 2002 |
pluck that mournful tune on that banjo, man.
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happyboy
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response 20 of 51:
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Aug 21 18:12 UTC 2002 |
/pluch an alienated sounding appalachian riff
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buddy
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response 21 of 51:
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Aug 27 20:11 UTC 2002 |
Well for those who are interested, Eminem is going to be performing at the
MTV Video Music Awards on 8/29.
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happyboy
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response 22 of 51:
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Aug 28 21:18 UTC 2002 |
whoopy crap.
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z0mb13
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response 23 of 51:
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Oct 17 22:42 UTC 2002 |
couple quick comments -
here in the baltimore/dc area we have a number of "black" radio stations for
lack of a better word. two of which are pretty "bad", in other words
regularly espouse reverse prejudiced comments, not that i'm saying that's a
bad thing. it was to my utter surprise that they, along with the two other
urban stations, played ALL of eminem's songs off the last album and off the
current one, and not just the latest mtv hit but some of the lesser known
songs as well. NOT only that but he's number one of those call in shows as
well, and i know that 90-95% of the people voting for music on those shows
are black. so he's just as popular with the black people as with the white
ones, and rightly so since his rhyming is some of the tightest i've ever heard
white or black..
also if you get the "slim shady show" dvd, the one with the (i think it's
hilarious) cartoon show from the internet collected, one of the bonus features
is eminem at a presumably local black club freestyling for an entirely black
audience, and they are LOVING it. i really didn't know he was that
lvoed/accepted by the black community until i saw that, it's a great thing
IMO... (sorrry loved not lvoed)
vanilla ice lost his user/fan base simply because he really didn't have the
skills enough to keep it, i really don't hink that eminem has that problem
and of course the future will tell, but if he manages not to piss off someone
to the point he gets shot, i think he'll be around for a long time to come!
just my two cents :)
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buddy
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response 24 of 51:
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Oct 18 16:42 UTC 2002 |
Well thanks alot for responding to this item z0mb13.
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