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griff
help with internet radio Mark Unseen   Jun 20 20:45 UTC 2002

Hi, ericb sent me your way.  I'm one of several people starting an ann 
arbor internet radio station, A3Radio.com, which is a subset of a larger 
project, called AnnArborAlive.com, an attempt to organize A2's culture 
and share it globally (in our write up we often compare the idea to old 
town halls...i saw the GREX logo...).  The radio station is the first 
piece of the project to get off the ground and we are in immediate need 
of a linux person or two to help us get one of our servers going (we 
plan to use iceS for now).  I think this will take just a few hours as 
we have much in place already (Suse 8.0, icecast server, server located 
on fiber,etc...)  

We also need a couple of people to stay on and help design the overall 
architecture of the station.  we plan to be a state of the art internet 
station with as many as 30 channels across all formats (blues, 
classical, bluegrass, talk, opinion, spiritual, techno, theatre, etc. 
etc... pretty much whatever people want to do), so audio experience (or 
interest) would be a plus.  

if you're intersted and can help, need more details, etc. you can email 
me, griff@annarboralive.com, call 761-MUSIC, or ask Eric if i'm at the 
top of the park (tonight for sure, friend is in the Witch Doctors):)  

Thanks...
35 responses total.
griff
response 1 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 20:50 UTC 2002

p.s. forgot to mention...local music channel and distribution is one of 
our top priorities.  If you have or know someone who has a local music 
collection who would be intersted in airing it, please let me know.
krj
response 2 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 02:21 UTC 2002

   ((( spring agora item 292 now linked as music item 105 )))
bru
response 3 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 03:41 UTC 2002

Can we get one of those channels to carry the unusual music, such as filk?
griff
response 4 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 03:56 UTC 2002

no problem, you just gotta find an AJ (audio jockey)to produce it....

is that the music that sticks to your lips??
other
response 5 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 05:33 UTC 2002

I'm the Eric he's referring to.  I've worked with griff, and will happily 
verify that his project is legit and sincere.  He's a strong proponent 
for and of Ann Arbor musicians and has been for a long time.
mdw
response 6 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 05:32 UTC 2002

Does A^2 still have a really distinct culture?  It seems to me we're
getting kinda yuppified.
other
response 7 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 07:30 UTC 2002

There is a very active original music culture in Ann Arbor, much of which 
is devoid of identifiable yuppie influence.
russ
response 8 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 16:07 UTC 2002

Exactly what is the plan to either pay the per-listener per-song
royalties just set by the Copyright Office, or avoid them?  If you
haven't got this taken care of in your business plan, this whole
thing is a non-starter.
gull
response 9 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 16:42 UTC 2002

If they're playing local bands that haven't been signed by a record company,
isn't it a non-issue?
jmsaul
response 10 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 18:37 UTC 2002

Yep.
orinoco
response 11 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 19:50 UTC 2002

Interesting.  I suppose if this new royalty plan sticks, it might encourage
more internet radio stations to focus on local acts like this.
griff
response 12 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 23:09 UTC 2002

we have contingency plans if the current royalty payments continue, 
keeping in mind that they are only in place until Jan 1, when they are 
required to be renegotiated.  It appears that congress is ready to 
squash the whole royalty thing (the royalty is to compensate for lost cd 
sales by the way), saying that the current interpretation is not what 
they had in mind when they passed the DMCA (ie. it was meant to promote 
business, not suppress it)  I'm also hoping that people are interested 
in news and views programs (no payments of any type and low bandwidth) 
so that people have a chance to the hear something other than the 
right-wing sheep-herding spin that is currently being propagated 
nationwide.

Speaking of non-yuppy, did anyone have a chance to see the mostly naked 
power trio at gallery 212 last night???
bru
response 13 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 23:27 UTC 2002

Can put on a show that gives the right wing sheephearding side of thiongs?
jmsaul
response 14 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 03:17 UTC 2002

Go for it, Bruce.  You'd probably get listeners.
russ
response 15 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 21:17 UTC 2002

Okay, if you only play local, unsigned acts you're fine... but as
soon as they're signed you might get the choice between paying the
exorbitant royalties or not being able to play them any more.

That would be a pity.  "They made it, so we can't broadcast their
music any more."
mcnally
response 16 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 11:26 UTC 2002

  And make sure they don't ever cover any old standards, or sample
  anything under copyright control..
gull
response 17 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 13:11 UTC 2002

Covering older songs would just mean you'd have to pay the songwriter
royalties everyone's had to pay all along.  Those are not too unreasonable,
though they aren't cheap, either.  You still wouldn't have to pay the
recording copyright royalties the RIAA has created.  (Remember, there are
two copyrights involved in any piece of recorded music.)
russ
response 18 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 22:27 UTC 2002

Re #16:  I thought the new royalties only applied to recordings,
not to sheet music.  If the band performed an old standard wouldn't
only the BMI/ASCAP royalties be applicable?

It just occurred to me that this could make covers a lot easier to
hear on Internet radio than major-act performances, and a lot more
profitable for stations to broadcast.  This doesn't just shoot the
RIAA in the foot, it blows their whole leg off.  Gonna be fun...
mcnally
response 19 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 23:12 UTC 2002

  I didn't mean to imply that cover versions would require royalty
  payments (though prolific sampling probably would..)  What I should
  have said more clearly is that cover versions would also require
  licensing payments, although to ASCAP and BMI..  Those who have 
  pointed out that the ASCAP/BMI licensing plans are a whole lot less
  extreme than the webcast royalties originally being discussed are
  correct but they still might be a burden on an independent local
  operation like this one..
scott
response 20 of 35: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 02:42 UTC 2002

I just "discovered" internet radio, thanks to the newly-updated iTunes 3.0.1
on my iBook.  Wow - lots of selections!  Time to start thinking about
broadband again...
mary
response 21 of 35: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 11:10 UTC 2002

I'm enjoying that too.  I'm also amazed at the quality of sound coming
from those two little balls.
scott
response 22 of 35: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 12:49 UTC 2002

The speakers in my iBook are pretty tiny, and the sound matches the size. :(
Still, there's that audio output jack.

Radio Havana!
dbratman
response 23 of 35: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 03:28 UTC 2002

I've just checked my collection of web radio links, and found that 
sonicnet and webradio both bit the dust sometime in the several months 
since I last listened to them.  I miss them both.

And, in the classical field specifically, Beethoven.com apparently now 
wants to harvest your e-mail, and claim the right to send you junk mail 
in perpetuity, if you want to listen to them at all.

I guess I'd better set up a dummy account on Yahoo or somewhere if I 
want to listen to them again.
dbratman
response 24 of 35: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 03:28 UTC 2002

Change "webradio" to "NetRadio".  Sorry.
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