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krj
The Fourth Napster Item Mark Unseen   Feb 7 04:53 UTC 2001

Thomas Middelhoff, the CEO of the media conglomerate Bertelmann, picked a 
very public platform to deliver the news about Napster.  At the 
World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Middelhoff announced that 
Napster would begin charging its users by July.  Middelhoff further 
announced that a digital rights management system would become part
of the Napster experience.

The Napster corporation seemed somewhat confused by this announcement,
and at first I chalked it up a clueless executive sounding off 
on the world stage.  I didn't see how digital rights management was
going to be incorporated into the Napster file sharing model; maybe 
there was some idea that they would put some sort of wrapper around the 
MP3 file as it was delivered to your computer?

Then it struck me: first, Bertelsmann thinks that the $50 million
it loaned Napster last fall gives it control.  Second, Bertelsmann 
wants Napster's brand name and its 30-50 million users, but 
file sharing does not figure into Bertelsmann's plans.  
Bertelsmann's Napster will give users songs from central 
servers, not from everybody's hard disks.  

Essentially, Bertelsmann wants to take their failed BMG music 
download system, spiff it up a bit, and call it Napster.
I'm skeptical that this will go very far with the existing 
Napster user base.

I found confirmation of Bertelsmann's view in a recent issue 
of "Entertainment Weekly," in an article on the availability of 
racist hate songs through Napster.  In that article, Bertelsmann 
senior VP Frank Sarfeld talks about "in the future, when 
Bertelsmann and Napster, in a new musiness model, will limit 
distribution to 'licensed music from major record labels.'"

((No indie labels on Napster?  Hmm, I wonder if there's grounds for 
antitrust action here.))

Bertelsmann hasn't gotten any of the other major labels to sign up 
for a Bertelsmann-controlled Napster.
134 responses total.
krj
response 1 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 04:56 UTC 2001

    ((( Winter Agora 124  <--->  Music 294 )))
krj
response 2 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 04:58 UTC 2001

I forgot to mention:  we're still waiting on the Appeals Court ruling 
on July's preliminary injunction to shut Napster down immediately.
The trial court judge saw this as a slam dunk; the appeals court hearing
was what, October?  What's taking them so long?  
mcnally
response 3 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 05:03 UTC 2001

  It's true but tiresome pointing out just how thoroughly clueless
  music executives are about the mechanisms and motivations behind
  a Napster-like service..
aaron
response 4 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 15:30 UTC 2001

There was an interesting "perspective" provided on NPR yesterday, where 
a journalist described his attendance at a meeting of investors who had 
lost big in the dotcom investment craze, and were looking for somebody 
to blame. (Their greed? That couldn't be it... it must be somebody 
else's fault.)

The reporter indicated that they put the blame on those he described as 
"the Pizza Kids" - young adults who spent many a late night drinking 
coke, eating pizza, and creating code. They had all been suckered in. 
The journalist had a different perspective - the investors, in their 
quest for instant riches, had corrupted the "Pizza Kid" culture - it was
 no longer a valid use of time to build on somebody else's idea, or for 
that matter to develop any code that couldn't be patented. While "Pizza 
Kids" bought into the money culture and the dream of being dotcom 
millionaires, the investors drove the creative force out of the 
Internet.

It's an interesting perspective. The place where the journalist, IMHO, 
is most clearly correct is in his refusal to place the blame on the 
"Pizza Kids". He didn't use the word "avarice," but that's what drove 
the big losses - even when the handwriting was clearly on the wall, 
early 2000, investors continued to pour their money into various 
Internet projects, hoping that they would reap exponential returns. A 
fool and his money.

The patent issue is an interesting one. But for the grant of patents to 
online business ideas, a lot of the money that flooded into Internet 
projects would not have come. To get money, a company would have had to 
do more than race to patent the latest modest innovation, stifling the 
development of parallel projects - it would have actually had to 
innovate in a manner which inspired users.

There is irony in the fact that Yahoo, Microsoft and AOL are the three 
biggest generators of page views - by a huge margin. None of them 
established that prominence on the basis of software patents or patented
 business ideas. Meanwhile, the patent holders seem to be folding in 
rapid succession.

Meanwhile, the exectuives now behind Napster, eager to get back part of 
their foolish investment, will do little more than inspire a "Pizza 
Kid", who stands to gain nothing save possibly for notoriety, to create 
the successor freeware version of Napster.
brighn
response 5 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 16:44 UTC 2001

#4> Wow. What a stunning condemnation of corporate avarice concluded with a
tummy-tuck approval of "Pizza Kid" avarice. It's perspectives like these that
lead to the mentality of "They steal from us, so it's ok for us to steal from
them." ["steal" in the metaphoric sense, lest we go down THAT road again]

#0> It seems to me that, since Napster allowed users to wholesale rip-off BMG,
in the context of my last paragraph's mentality, that it's their karma to get
butt-f%$qed right back. Hardly ethical on BMG's part, but hey, isn't lack of
corporate ethics the moral underpinning of Napster in the first place? If BMG
et alia weren't corporate raiders, Napster's users would cease to have any
shadow of a moral raison d'etre... so why be surprised when the corporate
megaliths live down to expectation?
krj
response 6 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 20:17 UTC 2001

Interesting interview with a Bertelsmann exec:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2683015,00.html
(or get it from mp3.com/news)
 
The exec is still talking about file sharing and says Napster has
"a very good legal argument." 
About "security," the exec says:
"... our number one goal is that the user experience that a Napster 
user has today is not tampered with."   And, with respect to the 
digital rights management technologies which exist today, "Very few
of them have proven to be sufficient when it comes to the element
of ease of use.  They're all highly, highly secure, but secure to the
way that users can't handle.  And we don't think this is the right
approach."
brighn
response 7 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 20:52 UTC 2001

Agreed, with the last sentence of the last post.

Personally, I'd like to see a system where it was easy for users to get music
that the artists have released into public domain, and difficult for users
to pirate music (and easy for them to purchase it online, if the copyright
owners so desire). But part of that, I think, involves a level of respect to
copyrighted material that (again) Napster users have not universally
expressed.
other
response 8 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 23:49 UTC 2001

Ok.  Are you ready?  Here goes.  I just received a phone call from an 
authoritative source (i.e. a napster employee) who gave me some 
definitive information:

1) There is NO definite schedule for the redesign/reimplementation of 
Napster.  The July date mentioned is hopeful, but that's all.

2) Bertelsmann's millions were designated specifically for the 
development of redevelopment of Napster, and BMG has agreed to drop its 
suit when the new system goes online.

3) There is a Q&A on Napsters webpage, at 
http://www.napster.com/pressroom/qanda.html



Unfortunately, I was totally unprepared for this phone call, and what I 
was actually hoping for was that someone there would join in the 
discussion directly, so I didn't get any real zinger questions in, but I 
assure you that my source is legitimate and firsthand.
krj
response 9 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 01:55 UTC 2001

I'm sure the "qanda" web page represents the views and best hopes
of the Napster corporation.  It does not explain why Bertelsmann 
execs are making highly visible public statements about the future 
of Napster which, as far as I can tell, do not square with that
web page: in fact, the quote from "Entertainment Weekly" is 
a flat assertion that there will be no file sharing in the new Napster.
(pages 3 & 4, "EW Internet" insert, February 9 2001.)
 
Also see 
http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,21904,00.html
brighn
response 10 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:54 UTC 2001

#8> Your source may be legitimate. So is the BMG exec. The legitimate sources
are not in concord.
other
response 11 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 04:42 UTC 2001

I did not intent to suggest that my information was absolutely correct 
and exclusive of all other, only that it was from a legitimate source and 
not n-hand information grossly altered in transit, or something I pulled 
out of my derriere, without foundation at all.
janc
response 12 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 05:25 UTC 2001

(I think brighn completely misread aaron.  The "Pizza Kids" aaron refered to
are NOT the folks stealing copyrighted music via Napster.  They are the
authors of the software systems various dot-coms were built on.  They didn't
steal anything.)
brighn
response 13 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 06:21 UTC 2001

Actually, I was responding to his last paragraph. Aaron may be misrepresenting
"Pizza Kids" in that paragraphs, but it's the clear implication taht the
creator of Napster qualifies as one. And while he may or may not personally
have illegally downloaded software, the whole point of the suit is that he
greatly facilitated it (making him accessory).

I know some "pizza kid" types, and they love to hack code that doesn't belong
to them (not all of them, but many of them).

And in case you've missed it along the way: I'm not saying I don't have
illegal copyrighted materials myself. I do. I'm saying that I don't understand
this mentality of exonerating the little guy just because the Megalith Corps
are Evil Bastards. If the little guy is doing something he oughtn't (like
creating Napster and implementing it in a way that greatly facilitates illegal
behavior), then he shouldn't be exonerated of all wrongdoing.
aaron
response 14 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 14:48 UTC 2001

What is wrong with creating Napster?
brighn
response 15 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 16:22 UTC 2001

*shrug* I'm not going over it again. It was created with the sole purpose of
exchanging music, with no real guards on whether that music was copyrighted.
If you still don't get it, you won't.
aaron
response 16 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 16:38 UTC 2001

Your problem appears to be with the use of the program, not the program 
itself. Do you actually believe that there can be no legitimate use for 
a program like Napster? Do you actually believe that programs like 
Napster should not be created?
krj
response 17 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 19:50 UTC 2001

Here's another fun Web article:
 
http://www.business2.com/content/channels/ebusiness/2001/02/06/25833
 
from Business 2.0, titled "Napster Alternatives Lurking:
Viable entities wait to fill the void of free music on the internet."
 
The assumption underlying the story is that Napster as we have known 
it comes to an end this summer, more or less on the timetable 
announced by Bertelsmann.
brighn
response 18 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 20:57 UTC 2001

#16: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." The evolution of that style
of rhetoric. Yes, there are legitimate uses for assault weapons. Yes, I think
that assault weapons should be legal. No, I don't think producers of assault
weapons should be exonerated of all responsibility on the grounds that there
are legitimate uses.

don't tell me the creator of Napster was sitting around his dorm room one day
thinking, "Gee, I sure wish there was a decent way for independent musicians
to share their music with the world without having to prostitute themselves
to the RIAA." No, more likely, the thought was more akin to, "Gee, wouldn't
it be neat to connect up people's computers through the Net so we could all
swap music, because it's just so expensive in the store." [I'm not going to
say that the first thought didn't enter his mind at all, but I'd be willing
to wager that if it did, it was an afterthought or a bonus to the latter
thought.]
aaron
response 19 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 20:59 UTC 2001

I do think you are too focused on Napster, and thus are missing the 
forest for the trees. With specific regard to Napster, I think programs 
like Napster are here to stay, in one form or another, like it or not. 
They do make it harder for the owners of intellectual property to ensure
 their ability to collect royalties.
aaron
response 20 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 21:04 UTC 2001

I guess I should add this: I was speaking, specifically, with regard to 
your response to the comments I entered. But to be fair, I don't mean to
 criticize your focus on Napster in an item devoted to Napster. ;-)
brighn
response 21 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 22:37 UTC 2001

Indeed. I don't think it's "too focused on Napster" to be responding to a post
concluding with a paragraph on Napster in an item on the topic of Napster.
A reasonable mind would presume that the intent of the original post was to
present a perspective on Napster.

Assault weapons are also here to stay. That doesn't exonerate their existence.

[NB: I'm not saying that Napster is in the same "league" as assault weapons.
I'm using extreme examples to indicate the irrelevance of Aaron's various
defenses. In case anyone thought I was a loony who thought that Napsterites
are one rage short of taking out a Mickey Dee's with an AK.]
aaron
response 22 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 22:47 UTC 2001

However, you responded to that post as if the entire post were about 
Napster, when quite obviously it was not. And you continue to do so.
scott
response 23 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 23:53 UTC 2001

Yeah!  Get 'em, Aaron!  And don't forget to call him a pathological liar; it
totally wins the argument for you.
aaron
response 24 of 134: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 23:55 UTC 2001

Don't forget to demonstrate that you are a true Grexer, by entering
gratuitous, hypocritical personal attacks.
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