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toking
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Dec 19 19:03 UTC 1996 |
does anyone know where I can get some NIN on vinyl....
I'm desperate!!!
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snow
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response 1 of 82:
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Dec 22 21:48 UTC 1996 |
sorry....no clue.
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cyberpnk
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response 2 of 82:
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Dec 31 02:16 UTC 1996 |
Your favorite music store can't special order it for you??
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freedom
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response 3 of 82:
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Jan 4 01:14 UTC 1997 |
Hmmmm, I am pretty sure that several of the music stores around here DID have
NIN on vinyl...I'll check next time I'm in one...it's the smaller stores like
the ones on our OSU campus, etc...
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scott
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response 4 of 82:
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Jan 4 01:27 UTC 1997 |
If you are nuts enough to try, you might also be able to roll your own. I
don't know about supplies, but it used to (okay, several decades ago) be
pretty easy to do. Les Paul actually built most his first recording lathe
out of car parts.
Be the most popular dude in your community! Custom vinyl! I have no idea
where to start, except maybe Usenet.
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toking
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response 5 of 82:
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Jan 6 14:49 UTC 1997 |
the idea isn't to copy onto vinyl....
the idea is to find the 12" single for down in it, the limited edition
release of pretty hate machine, and anything else that *nails* put
out on vinyl....hmmm
(sigh)
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scott
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response 6 of 82:
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Jan 11 01:48 UTC 1997 |
Oh, like a remix?
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jiffer
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response 7 of 82:
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Mar 2 05:05 UTC 1997 |
i would think its rather hard to find anything modern on vynil. Good luck,
check your used cd stores, sometimes they might have them, but if its limit
edition, well, bad luck and your screwed.. unless of course youy wait a good
few years and then try
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frog
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response 8 of 82:
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Mar 2 06:37 UTC 1997 |
i got tool's undertow and rage evil empire on vinyl, they had lotsa stuff
on vinyl there, i think they hapretty hate machine...
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scott
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response 9 of 82:
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Mar 2 13:45 UTC 1997 |
Vinyl did start a slow comeback a couple years ago.
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krj
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response 10 of 82:
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Mar 3 20:54 UTC 1997 |
I just glimpsed a headline last week -- in the WSJ, maybe? --
reporting that vinyl LP sales are trending up. It's probably still a
miniscule part of the market.
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kewy
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response 11 of 82:
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Mar 4 19:54 UTC 1997 |
yeah. there is a lot more hype about vinyl, or there has been in the last few
years, not exactly sure why, but i really do think it has something to do with
the whole crazy 70's revival thing.. oi.
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scott
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response 12 of 82:
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Mar 5 01:04 UTC 1997 |
Anybody want to buy a used turntable? I have a spare. :)
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raven
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response 13 of 82:
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Mar 5 02:40 UTC 1997 |
re # 12 How much??? I have vinal I would like to hear again.
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krj
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response 14 of 82:
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Mar 5 05:19 UTC 1997 |
I finally convinced Leslie to let me drag my old ugly turntable
stand out of the basement!! Yay!! Now I can walk around the living
room while LPs are playing without bouncing the stylus.
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kewy
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response 15 of 82:
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Mar 5 19:59 UTC 1997 |
i was very upset when my mom donated my turntable to the salvation army one
day while i was at school... (this was hm, gotta be a few years ago now....
ie.... uhm, maybe 4) that wasn't a very nice thing to do... but i can live
w/o one.. i've lived w/o a tape player since mine broke abt. 2 years ago.
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toking
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response 16 of 82:
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Mar 10 21:38 UTC 1997 |
re 8 where?
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orinoco
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response 17 of 82:
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Apr 7 01:55 UTC 1997 |
scott--yeah, how much for the turntable? I'll buy it if I can afford it..
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raven
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response 18 of 82:
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Apr 7 03:01 UTC 1997 |
Sold to me already... Sorry dude.
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lumen
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response 19 of 82:
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Aug 4 02:10 UTC 1997 |
Interesting. I have always wondered about the fascination with vinyl. I read
an article that said that vinyl often had +dB bias at certain treble
frequencies, as compared to tape and CD, so it often sounded *brighter*. This
puzzles me when I see that the largest demand in vinyl is for recordings by
industrial and garage groups. Any further insight?
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raven
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response 20 of 82:
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Aug 4 22:45 UTC 1997 |
Well vinyl has a greater dynamic range like 100+ db while CDs clock in at
90 some db dynamic range. Then there is the "warm sound" of vinyl which I
think is a real phenomenae. The causality of the warm sound is uncertain,
but it could be distortion heard as a posative thing, or it could be that
analog recording processes respresent sound more accuratley than digital
recording processes (this was certainly true for early digital
recordings). Finally as for garage and industrial these recording are
often on indie labels, and thus they are only available as vinyl
recordings. Or as they say at NVA "you'll pry my vinyl from my cold dead
fingers. <set pro-vinyl rant=off>
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lumen
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response 21 of 82:
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Aug 6 07:06 UTC 1997 |
A *greater* dynamic range? I don't know about that..sub-bass frequencies
weren't really available in recordings (as far as I can remember) when it was
limited to vinyl. I'd need to have some sort of proof of that. I read the
specs for one of the stereos in my house, and the sound parameters (on output)
for the phonograph was described as being on an RIAA curve, as opposed to a
frequency range for the CD and auxilary/video outputs. (Now-- is there anyone
out there who is a sound engineer that can explain this?) At the very least,
I would say that vinyl does not have a superior capacity to reproduce
extremely high and extremely low frequencies cleanly.
I'm not sure now if vinyl recordings are brighter or warmer, but what
the _Stereo Review_ article said was that certain frequencies at mid- to
treble range were boosted by a couple of +db. It is definitely distortion--
accuracy has nothing to do with it. The vinyl recording *will not* sound like
it was originally hear din the studio. Most recordings that have been
rereleased as CDs have the following statement:
"The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog equipment.
We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the sound of the
original recording. Because of its high resolution, however, the Compact Disc
can reveal limitations of the source tape."
Let me also explain the recording code on most CDs where A= analog, D=
digital.
The first letter is the source tape. An A or a D will indicate whether it
was recorded digitally, or on analog tape.
The second is the mastering process (transcription).
The third, of course, is the copying process.
As to the "accuracy" of digital vs. analog, it's more about acoustical
properties of the sounds reproduced. Digital processes tend to refine
frequencies and reduce distortion. However, some sounds are characteristic
for their distortion. This is whybrass, string, and saxophone sounds don't
sound quite as true to life on digital synthesizers, as compared to analog
ones. However, analog synths have a tendency to hum. To circumvent this,
engineers either remastered analog recordings especially for CD, or designed
CD players with digital/analog (D/A) converters, or filters. However, this
still resulted in a loss of sound, so most newer CD players have a
digital/analog oscillator (instead of converting analog to digital, the player
moves between the two, at a speed that sounds blended to the human ear).
Oversampling technologies are also used in players.
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scott
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response 22 of 82:
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Aug 6 13:34 UTC 1997 |
The RIAA curve is EQ applied to the recording on vinyl to reduce bass to
something that won't make huge wide grooves. The phono preamp on your stereo
reverses the effect.
Some vinyl freaks cite the lack of an explicit low-pass filter as proof that
records must have better high frequency range than digital. The digital
process requires a filter to limit (a hard limit) frequencies more than 1/2
the sample rate, which is about 21kHz for CD. Vinyl has no such filter, but
precious little response at that frequency range anyway.
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omni
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response 23 of 82:
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Aug 6 20:19 UTC 1997 |
I have a record that was cut from 35mm film, and it sounds just like a CD
in response.
What I mean is that the audio was not recorded on tape, rather 35mm film,
and somehow that makes the recording more brilliant, and a lot clearer
than the rest of my records (vinyl). The recording is Doc Severnson's
greatest hits. It did translate to audiotape very well, and is almost CD
quality sound.
You can hear the difference when you play a ordinary record of the same
genre, such as Herb Alpert's "Rise".
The label that records from film is Command Records. There is also TelArc
Recording, who uses bizarre recording techniques when recording a CD, but they
do come out sounding a lot better than some of my other CD's do.
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krj
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response 24 of 82:
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Aug 7 07:04 UTC 1997 |
Ken's empirical observations about digital vs. analog:
1) LPs, under optimal conditions, can sound more pleasing than CD on their
outer grooves. Usually the sound quality of the LP has degraded badly
by the inner grooves.
2) Avoid classical CDs recorded digitally before about 1987-1988.
3) There is a certain kind of bad sound on some CDs which, if I'm
listening through headphones, makes me want to throw the headphones
across the room. The only new release where I have heard this
in the last five years is Emmylou Harris' WRECKING BALL.
4) Many of my friends hated cleaning LPs and their stylii, and they
were eager to flee the LP.
5) Loaning and borrowing CDs is as much fun as loaning and borrowing
LPs was back in junior high, back before we became paranoid about
LP care.
6) I used to lose sleep worrying over LP wear.
7) These days, the hardest part of playing LPs is cleaning the piles
of CDs off the turntable.
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