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vidar
Discussion of how Country developed its bad reputation... Mark Unseen   Feb 25 03:13 UTC 1994

This item is for discussion of how Country Music got such a bed reputation.
My personal opinion is that it is all becuase of Billy Ray Cyrus' "Achy
Breaky Heart," the most annoying song this side of the universe.  By the
way, I listen to Clint Black, Alan Jackson, Brother Phelps, & The Pirates
of the Mississippi as my country selection.
25 responses total.
omni
response 1 of 25: Mark Unseen   Feb 25 04:49 UTC 1994

 Nah, Hank Williams started it all, with "You're Cheatin' Heart"
which isn't bad, but could become irriating over time.

  I have a parody of Achy Breaky heartalled "Itchy Twitchy spot" 
which is very funny, and puts it all in perspective.
vidar
response 2 of 25: Mark Unseen   Feb 25 19:25 UTC 1994

Don't sing that song,
that achey breaky song,
it is too damn anoy- ing...

(Oops.)  But that's what I think of Achy Breaky by Billy Ray Butthead.
chelsea
response 3 of 25: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 00:41 UTC 1994

Too much twang.
polygon
response 4 of 25: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 15:08 UTC 1994

I've never knowingly heard this achy-breaky song.

The typology of Appalachian/Bluegrass type music as it was explained to
me years ago is as follows (by Sharon McInturff, co-founder of Elderly
Instruments in Lansing):

     1.  Traditional style stuff done on traditional instruments (banjo,
         fiddle, acoustic guitar, etc.) is called "Bluegrass" or "Old
         Timey".  (Yes, there is a category of music called "Old Timey"
         which is not at all nostalgic; it is a particular style.)  These
         things appeal mostly to elderly Appalachian men and upper-middle-
         class well-educated bluegrass aficianados.

     2.  Untraditional (but related) stuff done on traditional instruments
         is "Newgrass".  (E.g. "The Newgrass Revival" and other bands.)
         It's sort of a hippie thing.

     3.  Traditional style stuff done on non-traditional instruments (e.g.,
         electric guitars) is "modern country music."  Popular all over the
         South and parts of the West, especially among blue-collar whites.

I don't have a great command of the music terminology, but "traditional
style stuff" refers to a whole constellation of (I assume) things like
chord progressions, key changes, tune structures, etc.  Listening to
newgrass, Sharon (trying to make this clear to me) would say: "Did you
hear that?  That wasn't a traditional bluegrass riff, it was more of a
jazz feature."

Despite their similarities, my attitudes about these three categories
differ radically.  Numbers one and two generate a lot of very good,
listenable stuff; the third category (also the most commercial) sounds
mostly like crap to me.  Probably there's some element of elitism there. 
But there is also the feeling that playing this kind of music on electric
guitars is like trying to eat a turkey dinner with an electrically powered
fork.
albaugh
response 5 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 4 05:31 UTC 1994

The bad "rap" on country/western (could you imagine country/western rap?
scary! :-) has been around for a long time - Billy Ray didn't start it.
A lot of the criticism has to do with the [lack of] quality of the lyrics,
and the monotonous sound and chord progressions.  You know what you hear if
you play a country/western song backwards?  "Got back my gal, got back my
truck, got back by dog..."  :-)  But as I've posted elsewhere, it's my belief
(even with CW, hard as that is :-) that a particular style of music doesn't
make it inherently bad (e.g. CW) - each work must be judged on its own merits.
I'll confess that I can enjoy a lot of CW songs performed by Linda Ronstadt
(in her early days) where I might not have by other artists.
vidar
response 6 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 4 17:25 UTC 1994

I said bad "rep," not "rap."  Not that scary.  In fact it is mostly
true.  The lines in country rhyme, just like in rap.  So I guess
it is just the difference in instruments.  I still think Billy
should be shot for making such an annoying song.  And I'm mostly
pacifistic right now!
albaugh
response 7 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 10:14 UTC 1994

Sorry - I "mixed my metaphors":  "bad rep[utation]" and "rap" (criticism).
vidar
response 8 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 13:08 UTC 1994

It's okay.  But the bad rep causes the bad rep.
carson
response 9 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 14:05 UTC 1994

There happens to be a VERY good song that almost falls into the C&W/Rap
category. It's the Tammy Winette/KLF duet on "Justified and Ancient".
bdp
response 10 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 18:44 UTC 1994

Sorry, Carson, KLF isn't rap. :)  That's what I like about it...
...or is it?
Actually, it's sorta rap/dance/techno/country/pop.
carson
response 11 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 19:47 UTC 1994

<this is why carson is on the KLF mailing-list and bdp isn't>

 :) :) :)
bdp
response 12 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:59 UTC 1994

I *am* on the KLF mailing list, or at least I mailed in my subscribe...
never got anything though.
vidar
response 13 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 23:37 UTC 1994

This is a little of subject *but* I just found my Musicland Country/Western
discount calander.  For each month there is a coupon in the back for some
ammount off any 1 of the artist of the month's CDs, Cassetes, Records.
carson
response 14 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 00:53 UTC 1994

once again,
<this is why carson is on the KLF mailing-list and bdp isn't>

 :) :) :)
vidar
response 15 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:29 UTC 1994

In that case, you complain.  Intelligently!
krj
response 16 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 06:24 UTC 1994

I bought a Dwight Yoakum CD today.  Forgive me.
gecko
response 17 of 25: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 21:22 UTC 1995

Hello is anyone there? Is this the only country music item? I'm new here
cyberpnk
response 18 of 25: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 21:58 UTC 1995

I like Johnny Cash, Anne Murray and Garth Brooks, myself. 
The one thing that i've noticed is that a lot of the country that's on the
radio and TV lately is so damn DEPRESSING!
phreakus
response 19 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jun 2 20:45 UTC 1995

Why don't we kill this item and listen to some *real* music?!?!?!?!?!
krj
response 20 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 04:35 UTC 1995

OK, I'm putting "Punk Rockin' Honky Tonk Girl" on the CD player
now.
doll
response 21 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 14:18 UTC 1996

in general i think country music is annoying...but there are a few songs i
decided i like within the last few months...i think i have been goin to
karaokee too much...but i like" i like it i love it i want some more of it"
and "dust on the bottle" and " i try to think about elvis" ...
i think country gets its bad rap from illerater rednecks who like it, and
cause most country music fans dress so badly..;)
krj
response 22 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jun 17 21:17 UTC 1996

There's an "alternative country" item rattling around in my head, it might pop 
out some day.   
(Anybody got that Wooden Leg CD?)
eskarina
response 23 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jul 30 05:22 UTC 1996

Yah, doll, Tim McGraw is pretty cool.  Lee Roy Parnell is cool, too.  I'm
getting to like Garth Brooks better than I used to.  Something about having
"In Pieces" as my soft rock selection in BMG turned me off... I changed my
listening interest to hard rock after that (my dad is in there under country,
and I don't understand the point in having 2 country catalogs sent to the same
house every month).
What Wooden Leg CD?
I recently started listening to my Garth Brooks CD that I got out of McDonalds
a couple of years ago ($6 with a value meal or something like that) and I like
that one a lot better than my other CDs by him.  Anyone else have this CD?
Country has something of a bad reputation, because that's what happens to
everything that is around long enough.  Lets face it, country has endured (not
been the most popular) for longer than most other kinds of music.  Alternative
will come and pass, people won't know what the word disco means, and country
will still be around.  So we have to pick on it.  We do the same thing to
politicians that are around too long.  The masses do strange things.  Just
watch and you'll see what I mean.
krj
response 24 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jul 30 18:23 UTC 1996

Wooden Leg is one of the two descendants from the split of Blood Oranges;
solo performer Cheri Knight is the other.  Blood Oranges was one of 
the earliest "alternative country" bands; Uncle Tupelo is usually considered
the fountain of the whole genre.
 
(A schoolkids clerk told me he didn't care much for the Wooden Leg CD, so I 
got the new Go to Blazes CD instead.  There are one or two tracks which 
have too much screaming in them for my tastes, but the rest of the CD is 
pretty good.)
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