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krj
Conference Restart and Reorganization Mark Unseen   Nov 12 22:02 UTC 1996

For quite some time I've been happy to have the Music conference be one
of the few conferences which goes back to the dawn of Grex.  But I think
that five years of text has become too much to keep in the active
conference.  

Leslie and I have been kicking around some ideas, and we are proposing
the following:

1)  A full restart of the existing Music conference.  Don't know 
    if the old conference should be left around as music1.cf, or 
    dumped into the storage cf.

2)  Recruiting one or more new FWs to replace Mike McNally, 
    FW Emeritus, whose account was reaped long ago.

3)  Creating a new Classical Music conference.  There was some 
    interest in this a couple of years ago, and we weren't crazy 
    about it at the time.  It needs a name.  Proposed FWs would 
    be arabella and chelsea, assuming Mary's interest.

    Should items from the Classical Music conference be linked, 
    by default, to the general music conference?  

I've also got some ideas for trying to promote the music conference
by handing out flyers at Schoolkids and Encore, and maybe a few 
other record stores; I don't know if I should do that now or wait 
for Backtalk.

Discuss!
35 responses total.
albaugh
response 1 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 00:07 UTC 1996

LInk by default items from Classical Music (CM) to General Music (GM)?  No!

Link classical music items in GM to CM?  Yes.
chelsea
response 2 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 01:47 UTC 1996

I still like the idea of a Classical Music conference.
There are most certainly a number of item in this 
conference which should be linked into a Classical
conference - mostly items where Delizia has gone
ape-shit over this or that and spewed his guts so
eloquently.  I love those responses to death.

In fact, Delizia should really fairwitness the thing.
He has put more interest into Classical music discussion
on Grex than everyone else rolled together.

There will probably be items which could be linked from
Music to Classical Music but I don't think there needs to
be an automatic link of everything anywhere.  My 2 cents.
kewy
response 3 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 02:24 UTC 1996

i'd be willing to help fw a restarted music cf... i just got here, i'm not
sure if you'd want someone who's been involved for longer, but i have a wee
bit of experience, i'm fw of a cf on m-net, it's not pico, but it's similar
(right? my lack of computer knowledge is showing :>)
raven
response 4 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 15:56 UTC 1996

        I think a restart and a classical conference are both fine ideas.
I also thinking linking some of the lengthy reviews of classical cds from
here to classical would be a good idea.  I would be willing to be an fw
for the music conf.
krj
response 5 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 21:40 UTC 1996

I had thought about md as a FW for the classical music conference
too.  But he hasn't logged in since end of September, according to finger.
This doesn't *have* to be a disqualification.  Anybody got an e-mail 
address for him which he checks regularly?
 
We still need a name for the classical music conference; I'm not 
sure what the rules are, Picospanwise.
 
I think raven and kewy would both be fine additions.  
I want some youth and vigor to balance the old and tired FWs.
 
Any responses to the idea of leafletting record stores to drum up 
some participation?  Maybe we should even take out an ad in the UMS
program book -- I wonder what that would cost?
remmers
response 6 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 22:48 UTC 1996

Hm, according to 'finger', md last logged in on November 10.
But regardless, he's been awfully quiet around these parts
lately. If he's available, he'd be a great fw for classical
music -- I'd like to see arabella, chelsea, and md all be
co-fw's.

<but remmers wonders in which conference his 'ragtime notebook'
 item would properly belong...>
krj
response 7 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 23:51 UTC 1996

My mistake about md, I fingered his arbornet account.
chelsea
response 8 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 03:42 UTC 1996

I'd think Ragtime would fit nicely in Classical.  
I think of it as foreplay for the Jazz era.
raven
response 9 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 04:46 UTC 1996

        So you are implying classical gets the jazz items, hmmmm I tend to
think of classical as composed Europeon (or Europeon origin) music of
which jazz is neither. Ragtime is closer to classical in being composed as
oposed to imporovised, but it still seems a stretch to me to put it in the
classical conference.  I'm saying this not to disparage either type of
music but to point out they should be in different conferences. 

md
response 10 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 11:31 UTC 1996

I've had a hardware upgrade that's left me with
a great new high-speed error-correcting modem but the only way to
connect to Grex or Mnet with it (that retarded I know of) is the
"terminal" program in Windows 3.1, which I guess must be pretty lame.
The text I see has lots of missing characters.  Kinda like listening
to a muffled conversation on the other side of a closed door.

So I can't f-w anything, much as I'd like too.  I'm not even sure
I'm responding appropriately to this item.  This thing works like
a dream on AOL, so I know it's basically sound, I just need to
figure out what to tell it that'll make Grex doable.  If anyone
has any ideas, you can mail me at MDelizia@aol.com.

Very flattered by the references to me here, I think.  SOmething
about ape-shit, which is where I go alright.
arabella
response 11 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 12:29 UTC 1996

I think ragtime would fit in well with a classical conference, but
it has pop elements as well.  There are a number of genres that 
cross boundaries between classical and pop music.  I wrote a big
paper on Scott Joplin when I was in junior high school.  I think
I would enjoy discussing ragtime.

robh
response 12 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 15:22 UTC 1996

Re 10 - We can get you better comm software, if you want it.
Let us know.
krj
response 13 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 16:09 UTC 1996

The technical problem should be fixable pretty quickly, md, 
so let's proceed on the assumption that you'll be a fw as soon 
the communications bugs are fixed.
chelsea
response 14 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 00:02 UTC 1996

Very nice.  I hope Michael gets his hardware problem
solved soon.  I've missed him around here.  I thought
maybe he was withholding his commentary as a sign of
solidarity with the Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra.

Also, I really like Ken's idea of putting flyers
in SKR, Tower, Border's, etc., and a advertisement
in select concert programs.

Jim Leonard is a neighbor.  Next time I see him
I'll ask if he'd be interested in participating in
this conference.
albaugh
response 15 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 04:45 UTC 1996

When in doubt, put the item in the General Music conference to begin with.
It can always later be linked to Classical Music if it makes sense...
srw
response 16 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 06:48 UTC 1996

I like the idea of a classical music conf, but I have gotten by so far by
forgetting the non-classical items. A separate conf would be easier, no
question.
arabella
response 17 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 09:34 UTC 1996

Re #14:  I believe it's known as the Philadelphia Orchestra, with
no "Symphony" in the middle.  Forgive my nitpicking.  I used to 
be a copy editor.  It's a lifelong curse.

chelsea
response 18 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 10:04 UTC 1996

Forgiven.  And my sympathies.
remmers
response 19 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 11:42 UTC 1996

<remmers has mailed md a possible fix to his character-loss
 problem. Hope he gets it straightened out -- Ann Arbor
 conferencing just isn't the same without md...>
krj
response 20 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 16:16 UTC 1996

We still need a picospan-suitable name for the classical music
conference.  Should we just try for "classical"?
bmoran
response 21 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 04:08 UTC 1996

No, someone will try to shorten it to class, and end up in the middle of a
flame war about the high cost of an overpriced toaster.
remmers
response 22 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 10:58 UTC 1996

I wouldn't worry about it. If they do that, they'll figure out
what they did, do the right thing, and never make the mistake
again.

I'm having a hard time thinking of a suitable name *other* than
"classical" or something close to that. Since Picospan allows
long conference names and lets you specify how much you're
allowed to leave off by way of abbreviation, I'd suggest the
full name "classicalmusic", abbreviatable to "classic" (which
would also allow "classical").

At some point, someone should report on the outcome of this
discussion in the "new conference proposals" item in Coop, just
to make it official.
md
response 23 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 15:56 UTC 1996

I'm posting this from AOL using the Backtalk interface,
thanks to Dr. Remmers' email instructions, which arrived
not a moment too soon, as the Windows 3.1 terminal program
finally bugged out on me altogether.  This is quite awesome.
I hope it works.  Also, it's practically free, compared to
my usual long-distance calls to AA, and will be even more
free starting 12/1.

So, I will be happy to fw or co-fw a classical music cf now,
if you still want me.  I'll enter tons of my usual opinionated
crap, as usual.
chelsea
response 24 of 35: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 16:49 UTC 1996

Delightful.
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