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mcnally
Record Stores Mark Unseen   Sep 4 06:37 UTC 1991

  With the opening of Ann Arbor's new Tower Records store, it seems like
an appropriate time to once again debate the merits of various area record
stores.
170 responses total.
mcnally
response 1 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 4 06:46 UTC 1991

  I was in the new Tower for the first time today.  Just from casual browsing,
my opinion is that it has good selection and lousy prices.  I was expecting
the good selection part of that.  I suppose I was expecting the lousy prices
part, too, but was somehow hoping that it wouldn't be the case.
 
  On the bright side, they're having a grand opening sale through October 1
that brings their prices about in line with those stores in town with more
reasonable prices.  I still plan to buy what I can at Wherehouse when the
price is similar (just because they've been decent to me so far and I'd hate
to see them dry up and wither away now that Tower is just down the block)
but I expect I'll probably never buy a disc at Schoolkids again.  It's very
rare that I'd rather shop at some giant conglomerate than at a local,
individually owned store, but Schoolkids is enough to make an exception for.
Some of the employees are very nice and very informative but when it boils
down to it, it's still Schoolkids.

  Strong points of this new Tower compared to other local stores seem to be
about what I expected.  Indies, imports, and singles seem to be about as good
as any other store in town and better than most (at least the ones *I* was
looking for, and on my scale, that's what counts.)  

  So far it looks like the new store gets my provisional "Good Thing" rating
but it will be on probation for several months and could lose that standing
for any number of reasons.
banzai
response 2 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 4 07:13 UTC 1991

(what's your beef with schoolkids?)
mcnally
response 3 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 4 08:15 UTC 1991

  They've done several sleazy things over the years, either to me or to 
close friends, that have contributed to a general distaste for the way they 
do business.  I also don't care much for the owner (Steve What's-his-name).
In particular, *never* special-order anything there if you can possibly get
it somewhere else.

  On the whole, I like a number of the individual employees but don't like
the store much.  Of the 4 or 5 former Schoolkids employees I've known well,
none of them have borne the store any particular love, either.
remmers
response 4 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 4 08:29 UTC 1991

(Where is Tower Records located?)
mythago
response 5 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 4 09:53 UTC 1991

I quit shopping at Schoolkids shortly after Play It Again (now defunct)
opened, due to their policy on imports.  No, you can't order them, and
you want that CD import?  Well, it's DEFINITELY coming in next Tuesday.
Oh, it's still not here?  It's supposed to be in any day now.  Why
don't you just come in every day over the next six weeks to see if
it showed up.  We only ordered two copies, though, so get here early.
PIA never had problems keeping popular indies/imports in stock or
ordering things for you.
hawkeye
response 6 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 4 15:38 UTC 1991

So, how do the prices at Tower compare to Warehouse?  Numbers, if you got
'em...
mcnally
response 7 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 4 18:22 UTC 1991

 re #4:  It's in the (reasonably) new mall on South University, "the Galleria"
(between Church and South Forest streets.)
 
 re #6:  I didn't do any direct comparison shopping, so I can't say for sure.
I suspect they'll run about the same for major label U.S. releases.  As for
imports and indies, who can say?
krj
response 8 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 03:55 UTC 1991

Tower's selection of pop & rock stuff is very interesting; I found a couple
of discs by Peter Blegvad and the Bats which I'd been looking for, and never
seen.  The opera section also looks quite nice.  The folk music section
is probably inferior to Schoolkids, which in turn is inferior to Elderly
Instruments up in Lansing.
 
On the grand opening sale, Tower's prices are very appealing.  The recording
of "Sheherazade" I bought recently is on sale for $6 less at Tower than at
SKR.  The question is, how often will they have storewide sales?  
 
Back in the classical selection is a big selection of folk and rock magazines
and books.  They have some recent issues of "Folk Roots" from England, which
Schoolkids also carries.
 
Mike, I really don't think Schoolkids is going to be able to stand up
against Tower.  (Has Tracks, the store in the Galleria's first floor, 
closed up shop yet?)  Ooops, I meant to say I don't think *wherehouse* 
is going to be able to stand up against Tower.
ty
response 9 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 06:22 UTC 1991

Well, I for one hate it when crap like this happens (and I see it coming).
Big chain comes in, has huge stock and pretty good prices (sales), runs 
competitors out of business, jacks up prices.
I'm all for Tower records as long as they don't hurt everyone else's business 
and then raise prices to mall levels because they are the biggest store in t
town.
mcnally
response 10 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 06:27 UTC 1991

  The thing is, big chains rarely have prices low enough to eliminate the
competition.  Don't ask me why, but stores that *should* be able to charge
absolute minimum for CDs rarely do.  If you're against chain record stores,
I wouldn't shed any tears for Wherehouse, since they're a chain, too.  
 
  Like I said, the jury's still out on whether this Tower is going to be a
good thing or a bad thing.  Until proven otherwise, though, I'll give them
the benefit of the doubt (presumption of innocence?)

mcnally
response 11 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 07:51 UTC 1991

  I'm warming to several things about the new Tower.  The first thing is
that I like the book section.  Can't think of any other record store in
town that has a book section worth mentioning; Tower's isn't that great but
at least it's there.
mew
response 12 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 02:07 UTC 1991

Ummm I assume you mean Books on Tape not Song Books?
mcnally
response 13 of 170: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 06:16 UTC 1991

 No, I mean neither, in particular.  They have a decent selection of books
about rock music and musicians, as well as a reasonable selection of 
magazines.  On the whole I don't read or collect such things but every once
in a while something will catch my eye.  They have a book about Brian Eno,
for example, that has lyrics listed for his albums.  I wouldn't mind having
that (though I'm not likely to pay what they want for it.)
krj
response 14 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 09:23 UTC 1991

Well, Tower's Grand Opening sale is now over (and krj's CD budget is shot
for most of October as well as September).  Has anyone seen what sort of
sales we get next?
 
(Tracks, the store under Tower, still seems to be in business.  Amazing.)
mcnally
response 15 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 18:57 UTC 1991

  Technically Tower's sale lasts until midnight tonight.  As far as what
sales we can expect in the future, I don't know, except that their front
window (facing South U.) has a banner proclaiming that the top 25 albums 
are always on sale.

  It doesn't surprise me that Tracks is still open.  If it's still open
in another 6 months, *that* will surprise me.
mcnally
response 16 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 09:47 UTC 1991

  Now that the Tower sale is over, I guess I'll be going back to doing
most of my shopping at Wherehouse (or I would be if I could afford to
be doing any CD shopping these days.)
krj
response 17 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 11 07:25 UTC 1991

Tonight in San Jose, I found myself with some free time on my hands.
The informal evening conference session on Network Management was starting
to get stale after about an hour, so I figured I'd head out to a store
which had an ad in the Downtown San Jose Coupon Book -- ABCD Exchange.
 
I called them to get directions -- they were just about eight blocks
from the convention center.  Something in the way they hesitated in 
giving me directions led me to ask if the neighborhood was reasonably 
safe; the owner assured me he never had any problems.  So I slogged 
over to the store, with my gaudy Interop tote bag screaming "CONVENTION
TOURIST" for everyone to see.  Eight or so blocks, the last few a bit 
run down, and then across the street from the store I see four cops 
busting three guys, two of the cops with drawn guns.  Nice neighborhood;
in 16 years in Michigan I don't ever recall seeing an officer with a drawn
weapon.
 
ABCD was, for me, a flashback to the wonderful days of East Lansing's 
CD Emporium, and its "listen before buying" policy.  ABCD's selection
was decent, and I skimmed out quite a few discs I'd been curious about
and sat down to give 'em a spin.  I also picked up some new curiousities.
The rejects:
 
The Triplets: indeed, they are three cute female triplets.  Folk music run 
through an off-brand cuisinart and syruped with excessive strings.  Store
owner told me they used to be a decent folk act before the record company
got hold of 'em.
 
The Textones:  I keep trying to like the Textones, since I kinda like 
Textones' lead singer's Carla Olson's duet album with Gene Clark -- Clarks
final album before he kicked the bucket, incidentally.   But it just 
doesn't work for me.  Oh well.  Probably my last chance at a copy of this 
Enigma disc, since Enigma is bust.
 
Adele Bertai, "Little Lives":  I admit it, I wouldn't have been curious if 
the singer wasn't so *cute*.  Too much synth pop for my taste.
 
Paul Brady, "Trick or Treat":  Brady used to be a trad folkie who went REAL
pop about 10 years back.  I dunno, the first couple of tracks had potential
but after that it got goopy.  Might pick this up in Michigan some day anyway,
it's very available right now.
 
The buys:
The Pogues, "Summer in Siam":  I've been looking for this for about 18 mos.
John Hiatt, "Bring the Family":  Features Nick Lowe on bass.  Might just 
    live up to his buzz as the American Richard Thompson.
Peter Himmelman, "Synesthesia": potentially interesting folk/synth/pop,
    this album's OP now.
Eggplant, "Monkey Bars":  Local Calif. band & label; dumb garage grunge, but
    I like some of the guitar moves and I'll never see it at home.
 
I had a great time chatting with the owners and playing through my stack
of discs; if I wasn't already 30 minutes late for my dinner date with my
coworkers I would have stayed longer.  If another store that allows 
auditioning ever opens in the area, SUPPORT IT!!!  The somewhat higher 
prices are MORE than offset by the chance to avoid dull discs.
 
(One of the big factors in the failure of CD Emporium in East Lansing
was that many folks would audition discs there and then buy them at
State Discount or Where House.)
 
Oh, AB-CD was also playing the CD of "Remain in Light" by Talking Heads.
What a rush of nostalgia!!!  I sang along with the entire disc.  No wonder
there were no other customers in the store.  I'd forgotten how much I'd
loved that album when it was new.  (The Belew guitar parts still grate on
me, too...  :-)  )
 
Anyway, that's the disc-buying report from San Jose.  I now regret a little
having let my tour guide drive past a Palo Alto used store which he 
dismissed as uninteresting, but those are the breaks.  My local guide
also tells me there is a good potential source for used folk albums in 
Santa Clara, but I don't think I'll have time to get there.
mcnally
response 18 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 11 09:03 UTC 1991

  I thought you had said you didn't like "Remain in Light" (even apart
from the Belew guitar parts..)  It's my favorite Talking Heads album. 
And my copy's autographed by Belew.  I happen to like his guitar playing.
polygon
response 19 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 11 13:41 UTC 1991

Re 17.  When I lived in Detroit, I saw police with drawn guns on a number of
occasions.
tcc
response 20 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 15 05:21 UTC 1991

        My "Home Of The Brave" album is signed by Belew ... Landry ... Askew
        ...
And L.A.
mcnally
response 21 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 15 06:39 UTC 1991

 I don't have "Home of the Brave" so I can't check the credits..  Is the
Askew you mention Joy Askew, who's been backing up Joe Jackson lately?
mew
response 22 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 16 04:09 UTC 1991

Homespun Records in El Cerrito is a nice place to go.  I STILL regret
not buying the import that had Dick Gaughin doing a cover of a Dylan
song I like... can't remember which one.
krj
response 23 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 16 04:49 UTC 1991

I suspect you mean Down Home Music, Mary Ellen...  sorry my Gaughan collection
isn't deeper, but I'll grub around and see if I can find any Dylan covers.
Any more clues than that?
tcc
response 24 of 170: Mark Unseen   Oct 16 06:55 UTC 1991

re 21: One and the same.  She also appeared in the movie version of "HOTB"
in more than a few scenes.
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