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steve
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The three tenors
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Jul 17 03:37 UTC 1994 |
Do you like opera?
I've been hearing estimates that 1 billion people will be
listening to "the three tenors" tonight. This makes this
event one of the largest musical events ever. What impresses
me is that this isn't rock music. For a while there, I was
beginning to think that rock was going to rule forever.
Is opera making a comeback?
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mmcd
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response 1 of 31:
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Jul 17 05:52 UTC 1994 |
From where?
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gregc
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response 2 of 31:
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Jul 17 06:28 UTC 1994 |
Depends on what you mean by "opera", I suspect that the original operas
many hundreds of years ago were probably very interesting/entertaining,
however, somewhere along the way they seemed to have made a transformation
into an elistist spectacle. I have found few instances of opera singing
that I find pleasant, more often I get the distinct feeling that the
singer is simply trying to impress me with how high or low or loud
a note he/she can make with his voice, as opposed to crafting an enjoyably
melodic piece of music.
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headdoc
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response 3 of 31:
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Jul 18 00:58 UTC 1994 |
I never enjoyed or understood Opera until about 10 years ago. It was about
that time when I started going to Italy and listening to opera in almost every
restaurant we had dinner in. Slowly but surely, I started to like and then
love the music. . .beginning with Verdi (who is easy to love.) Then, Jerry and
I wwere invited to a New Year's Eve performance of little known opera at
Lincoln Center in New York. We listened to the opera before hand and learned
what we could about it, then went and had a fabulous evening. Since then, we
watch opera as often as we can on TV and have started attending a performance
in every city we visit. This year, we went to the new Opera at the Bastille in
Paris and saw and heard a very different rendition of the Magic Flute. It was
a magical evening. I dont knoe if Opera is becoming more popular in the rest
of the USA, but it sure has increased in popularity in the Bricker household.
As for it being elitist, I believe that is only true in sofaras the cost of a
ticket. Opera is much more than music. . it is drama.
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steve
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response 4 of 31:
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Jul 18 02:15 UTC 1994 |
I'd like to hear why people think that operah is elitist? I
was pretty much raised on it, and didn't cosee it that way. I
have seen a few idiots who thought that they were "better" for
being operah folk, but they were always the social-climbing asshole
types anyway.
Perhaps the fact that a little research on an operah before hearing
it puts people off. Certainly it is different from rock and other
pop forms of music which are presented in your face and leave just
as quickly?
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aruba
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response 5 of 31:
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Jul 18 02:58 UTC 1994 |
I guess I think it's elitist because it's nearly always in a language
that I can't understand.
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popcorn
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response 6 of 31:
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Jul 18 04:41 UTC 1994 |
re 4: Gee... and I thought Oprah and Phil and all those talk show
hosts were kinda *lowbrow*, not highbrow. ;)
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rcurl
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response 7 of 31:
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Jul 18 06:23 UTC 1994 |
I like opera - enormously. The comparison in #0 struck me humorously as
when I was driving south with cave exploring groups more frequently,
the rule was that the driver chose the music: that is, until I chose
opera. We wrangled over that one, and came to a mutual agreement, that
I would not choose opera and everyone else would not choose rock.
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other
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response 8 of 31:
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Jul 18 06:26 UTC 1994 |
In the age and era of the opera superstar who can sing like hell, but can't
reallly, *act*, opera has become a different creature than it used to be.
From what I hear, the best thing going right now are ensemble opera
companies who are used to performing with each other on a regular basis
instead of competing with each other for top billing a few nights a year.
A recent "Fresh Air" show on NPR featured the story of the Australian
Opera Company, whose performances have drawn constant raves not only for the
ability of the members to sing, but also to act. These people bring back
the opera as theatre, and hopefully will relegate superstar singers standing
around in fancy costumes to comparative ignominy.
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tsty
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response 9 of 31:
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Jul 18 07:32 UTC 1994 |
Hmm,, a lot like Comic Opera Guild right +here+ in A2! Twenty-plus
years and still performing!
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davel
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response 10 of 31:
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Jul 18 09:57 UTC 1994 |
COG does *comic* opera - easier to make accessible to contemporary audiences
for the most part. They also (at least typically) do translations into
English for operas originally in other languages. If you want to appreciate
opera as drama, it's pretty important to understand the words, obviously.
The tradeoff is that sometimes translations are pretty awful, spoiling the
thing rather than helping. I know COG has worked **really** hard on that,
often doing their own translations when the available ones weren't up to
their standards.
I happen to like opera quite a lot, in general - but my own interest is
normally musical, rather than dramatic. I find that having dialog sung
rather than spoken is artificial enough to be distracting, making it hard
to relate to grand opera as drama - it doesn't feel *real*, and so the
characters' motives and feelings don't feel quite real, either. This is
much less true for comic opera, in which the element of farce is often
a big part; but I'd still as soon hear a recording, for the most part.
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popcorn
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response 11 of 31:
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Jul 18 12:39 UTC 1994 |
I think this calls for a Grexpedition. Anybody have schedule and ticketing
information for AACOG?
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rcurl
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response 12 of 31:
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Jul 18 16:26 UTC 1994 |
Re #10: of course opera "doesn't feel real", since it is not meant to. It
is an art form. Photography is not the only visual art form, and "real
life" is not the only dramatic art form. One has to adopt the proper
perspective to enjoy opera, just as one must to enjoy impressionists.
Opera and art are both abstractions - one must learn to understand and
appreciate them.
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omni
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response 13 of 31:
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Jul 21 07:37 UTC 1994 |
I was introduced to opera at age 4. My mother introduced me to
Die Fliedermaus by Johann Strauss. It remains one of my favorites to
this day, although I also enjoy Gilbert and Sullivan's HMS Pinafore, and
The Mikado, as well as The Barber of Seville and Aida.
I think opera got it's elitest image from seeing many patrons d'art
dressed in minks and silk tux's rather than wearing sandals and shorts.
They don't sell popcorn and soda at the opera, and sitting in one of
those chairs without some good buttered popcorn seems like a crime against
mankind ;). I, for one, like to use my imagination while listening to
opera, and wondering what that characters are doing, and all that. I also
forgot to mention that I also love Carmen by Bizet.
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tsty
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response 14 of 31:
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Jul 23 09:03 UTC 1994 |
In the most recent rumblings, I have overheard that COG is considering
Die Fliedermaus for it's next presentation, film at 11.
Cog +does+ do its own translations so NO song is sung in non-English.
The last productin was our Spring Concert at Kerrytown Concert House. That
was a lot of tunes with mini-skits attached - Songs of the 50s.
The previous full-stage production was Robinson Crusoe with the wild
native cannibal tribes singing in English, and a Llhama with no lines.
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danr
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response 15 of 31:
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Jul 24 01:33 UTC 1994 |
I think opera has gotten its elitist tag because fo the language
barrier. When it's in a foreign language, it takes some study to
appreciate what's going on.
A grexpedition to an AACOG performance sounds like a good idea to me!
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steve
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response 16 of 31:
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Jul 24 05:33 UTC 1994 |
Yup. Can someone post some possible dates?
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rcurl
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response 17 of 31:
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Jul 24 05:34 UTC 1994 |
It takes no study. You just have to be able to read the English
translation of the libretto.
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krj
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response 18 of 31:
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Jul 24 07:05 UTC 1994 |
<Agora #56 is now linked as Music #131.>
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krj
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response 19 of 31:
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Jul 24 07:14 UTC 1994 |
tsty, didn't AACOG do FLEDERMAUS about five years ago? Seems
pretty soon to be doing it again, especially as I haven't heard
about too many fully staged productions since then.
I have a theory which proposes that the popularity of opera went
into decline with the introduction of the modern spotlight.
The darkened theatre made it impossible for the audience to
read their librettos. With the development of projected
titles -- making the opera experience somewhat like watching
a subtitled Italian movie -- the libretto has been restored to a
place where the audience can read it once more, and the popularity of
opera has been increasing steadily.
I'll have to write a bit more about my introduction to opera next time.
If you really want a proper introduction to the field, you should fall
in love with a singer.
I've been going through a bit of an obsession with Puccini's TOSCA
for the last few months, but I had no idea that "Nessun Dorma"
("No One Sleeps") had become a soccer anthem...
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rcurl
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response 20 of 31:
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Jul 24 15:31 UTC 1994 |
I think there may be something to the "I couldn't read the libretto"
theory. When the Met was coming to Detroit, we would drive in and one
of us would read from _The Victrola Book of the Opera_ (6th ed., 1921),
so we would be refreshed on at least what was happening in each scene,
and the major arias. (How about a "Recondita armonia", sung by Enrico
Caruso, on Victor Record 87043: $1.25?)
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caesar
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response 21 of 31:
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Jul 24 20:53 UTC 1994 |
I must admit that I have a problem with *most* opera that I've heard. Here's
the problem: the singers are forced to employ brain-cruching vibrato *just
in order to be heard above the orchestra.* I can hardly ever tell what pitch
these folks are singin', because they're wailin' away with this vibrato
business. It gets on my nerves in a big way.
Now, don't get me wrong here. I think the three tenors whom this item is
about in the first place a good singers. But it's sure hard to tell that.
Also, to weaken my own argument further: I haven't heard all that much
opera music--ceratinly not enough to "judge opera," anyway. But I used to
work in a classical music store, so I've had a dose or two of it in my time.
Anyway, that's the problem. The singers.
Oh, hey! Another thing: I've never seen an opera live on stage. I would
imagine that's a completely different experience than just hearing a recording.
Okay, I'm done now.
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rcurl
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response 22 of 31:
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Jul 24 21:26 UTC 1994 |
Opera is musical drama - aural and visual. Actually, the problem you
cite, "The singers", is the problem I have with rock. Though I have
never gone intentionally to a rock performance, I believe that many
consider being there to be an important part of the experience.
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steve
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response 23 of 31:
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Jul 25 03:44 UTC 1994 |
You're right, many do consider it part of the experience, but
as a rock fan, I almost always avoid concerts, because of the musical
quality. If one uses standards that involve such things as how the
music sounds, they'll stay away from "live" performances.
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aruba
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response 24 of 31:
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Jul 25 03:55 UTC 1994 |
Re #22: Rane, did you go *un*intentionally to a rock concert once?
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