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krj
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Cardboard CD packaging
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Aug 7 04:38 UTC 1991 |
Does *anyone* here want to say a good word for the "digipak" or "ecopak",
the mostly-cardboard CD packaging which Warner, and possibly other major
labels, plan to start plying us with next year? The major "ecopak"
releases so far are the current Sting and Bonnie Raitt albums.
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hype
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response 1 of 60:
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Aug 7 04:54 UTC 1991 |
No. I hate it. They will wear out, from being folded back and forth,
they dont really help anything, because some of them have the longbox
with it! Anyway, why not just keep the jewel box, and ditch the
longbox? I mean, they could keep the disks locked, and just ask for
the selection you want. Or, like tapes, keep them in reusable plastic
longboxes that they could remove at the counter.
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mcnally
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response 2 of 60:
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Aug 7 05:27 UTC 1991 |
Apparently the big mall record store chains are very much against
any packaging design that won't fit into longbox style bins. Many
of them refused to carry Peter Gabriel's "Shaking the Tree" for that
reason. Also, apparently WEA (Warner, Electra, Atlantic) has a strong
financial interest in pushing the ecopak.
BTW, I'm pretty sure that the Sting and Bonnie Raitt albums are in
digipaks.
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polygon
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response 3 of 60:
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Aug 7 05:36 UTC 1991 |
There is some speculation that organized crime controls the companies that
print or produce LP album jackets and now longboxes. Rumor has it that
the record companies are afraid to eliminate longboxes because of threats
made.
The Wall Street Jounal had an article about this recently. The cardboard
pack will apparently be used by all the major record companies starting next
year. There is a slight chance that a compromise version -- a jewel box
that slides open and locks into longbox dimensions for display, but slides
back to jewel box size for storage -- could win out, but the author of the
WSJ piece made that seem rather unlikely.
I won't buy anything in one of the new cardboard packs, but then, since I
have no CD player, I only buy CD's as gifts for others.
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krj
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response 4 of 60:
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Aug 7 07:33 UTC 1991 |
I guess I'll be making monthly trips to Canada to get proper jewel-boxed
releases, unless the madness spreads there too. What the heck, I need an
excuse to cut back on my CD spending... boycotting this incredibly stupid
packaging seems like a good one to me... I have some record company addresses
garnered off the net; I should get some letters written.
I don't read CD Review at work any more, but a co-worker told me that their
unscientific poll is running 80% in favor of keeping the jewel box.
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mcnally
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response 5 of 60:
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Aug 7 08:19 UTC 1991 |
But how much do you think record companies care about what their consumers
think?
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steve
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response 6 of 60:
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Aug 8 14:26 UTC 1991 |
Call me confused. What is being changed here? The packaging that the
CD is sold in, which you throw away when its bought, or the actual box
that the cd lives in permently?
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ragnar
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response 7 of 60:
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Aug 8 18:26 UTC 1991 |
The so-called permanent box.
I've handled the Sting disc in the new packaging, and found it very
clumsy. True, jewel boxes take a little time to learn to handle smoothly,
but these things are ridiculous. You've got to unlfold several times to get
at the disc, and they simply won't last as long as the jewel box.
It's not like these things are commonly thrown out, anyway. I've only tossed
two, due to breakage upon dropping. Now the cardboard package won't break,
but how'd you like to unravel a dropped one to see your CD now split in 2?
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yaway
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response 8 of 60:
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Aug 8 18:33 UTC 1991 |
correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't the first U2 disks distributed
in cardboard? i haven't seen any of the new cardboard boxes, but
my friend who has the first couple of U2 CD's in the cardboard boxes have
held together quite well. maybe the design is different now.
anyways that's MY story.
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mcnally
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response 9 of 60:
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Aug 8 20:36 UTC 1991 |
The design is similar to the packaging the early U2 discs were distributed
in (except that they will come folded out so they come close to longbox
dimensions.) My experience has been that such packaging does not hold up
that well and if anything happens to any part of it, you can't replace it
easily. With a jewel box, you can replace the various parts if something
breaks, with the digipaks and ecopaks you're out of luck. Also, I don't
like the fact that they don't stay closed. The cardboard cases have a
tendency to hang open slightly, allowing the CD to accumulate much more dust.
Most irksome, though, is that most manufacturers will probably quickly
drop the booklets that now come with CDs. Apparently at least one of the
new formats has room for a booklet but I suspect that it won't get much
use.
There's basically not a single way in which they're significantly better
than jewel boxes and many ways in which they're worse.
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mistik
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response 10 of 60:
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Aug 10 19:37 UTC 1991 |
You save a lot in shipping if you don't use the jewel box. At some point
I figured if the store or customer bought the jewel boxes localy, they would
save $1-$2 on each CD. That was last year, and for imported CDs.
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mcnally
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response 11 of 60:
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Aug 10 22:34 UTC 1991 |
Do you mean jewel box or long box? I imagine much of the savings you'd
make off of shipping sans jewel box would be eaten up by mangled discs.
I find it really hard to believe that they add $1-$2 to the price of a disc,
even for imports. And the digipaks and ecopaks aren't really going to be
any better. I doubt they'll weigh that much less.
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ty
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response 12 of 60:
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Aug 12 02:05 UTC 1991 |
I have the recent Sting release and I can't stand that stupid packaging.
It is extremely cumbersome to manipulate. ( the thing unfolds to about
five times its original size) One of these days I'm going to
pick up an empty jewel case at Service Merchandise or some such place and
replace the packaging.
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ragnar
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response 13 of 60:
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Aug 15 02:06 UTC 1991 |
Whoever manufactures empty jewel boxes for retail sale just hit a big bonanza.
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steve
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response 14 of 60:
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Aug 15 03:01 UTC 1991 |
I think Sam's Jams just increased their order of them. This sounds
really sick overall. I haven't been buying CD's lately so I missed this.
Yuck.
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mcnally
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response 15 of 60:
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Aug 15 05:57 UTC 1991 |
Unfortunately, unless you hack the damn digipaks apart, you won't
be able to get anything resembling current jewel box inserts.
re #14: You haven't missed it, it hasn't happened yet (except in
a few isolated cases.) That's why people are trying to stop it *now*
before it can't be changed.
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mew
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response 16 of 60:
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Aug 15 19:30 UTC 1991 |
What was the theory behind this? Is this supposed to be more
ecological somehow? Sounds really bad. I favor the idea of
removable plastic longboxes that are store reuseable. Someone
mentioned that above. Sounds like a good compromise to me.
I find a good use for the longboxes though- I decorate my music room with them.
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mcnally
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response 17 of 60:
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Aug 16 01:59 UTC 1991 |
Basically the theory was this: people were complaining about the longbox
being ecologically wasteful (since most people just throw them out and they're
completely unnecessary (except maybe from a theft prevention standpoint)) and
I'm sure they cost the CD manufacturers a couple of cents to make so for
whatever reasons, the CD manufacturers decided to introduce newer, cheaper
packaging and claim that they were doing it to be ecologically responsible.
The problem comes in with the big record chains, who refuse to buy anything
that's not longbox shaped since they don't want to have to refit their stores
with new display systems (even though it would mean that they could store an
amazing number more discs in the same space if they were to use a well
designed system) At this point I lose track of the record companies' logic
unless it becomes completely financial. I can see no reason why anyone would
prefer the digipaks and ecopaks (and several reasons to prefer jewel boxes.)
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diablo
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response 18 of 60:
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Aug 16 02:08 UTC 1991 |
The plastic anti-theft devices would be the best solution. Reusable, and
you wouldn't have to bother with them...they could be removed at the store.
You would be left with a jewel box, just like everyone wants, and no more
wasted cardboard! I got a brochure in the mail from a company who makes
a lot of those plastic things, for VHS tapes, DATs, CDs, cassettes...
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krj
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response 19 of 60:
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Aug 16 04:13 UTC 1991 |
As has been mentioned, I'm partial to the rumor that kneecaps will be
broken if the US record companies don't buy a certain quantity of
paperboard products. No other explanation really makes complete sense
of the situation.
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polygon
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response 20 of 60:
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Aug 17 01:51 UTC 1991 |
Besides, jewel boxes are CHEAPER than Echo-packs, according to the Wall
Street Journal.
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mcnally
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response 21 of 60:
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Aug 17 03:42 UTC 1991 |
That's probably why the digipak seems to be winning out. Although
I'd have thought that it would be more expensive than the eco-pak.
Does that include the price of the longboxes in the jewel box figures?
If they're close, that might be enough to tip the balance.
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polygon
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response 22 of 60:
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Aug 18 13:21 UTC 1991 |
Re 21. No, that means JUST the price of the jewel boxes alone, as they are
sold in many other countries.
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ragnar
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response 23 of 60:
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Sep 4 00:14 UTC 1991 |
Actually, I used to decorate my dorm-room door with the long-box covers.
Stopped doing it when it occured to me I was advertising the presence of my
brand new CD player, and I did finally stop collecting them.
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krj
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response 24 of 60:
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Sep 4 06:08 UTC 1991 |
There is a report on Usenet today that WEA has committed itself to the
cardboard packaging eco/digi pak format.
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