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Grex System Announcements Item Mark Unseen   Dec 22 04:53 UTC 1998

This item is for system announcements (new computer equipment on Grex, 
system upgrades, Grex meetings, etc.).  Personal announcements should go 
back in item 2; Grex system *problems* belong in the next item (#4). 
156 responses total.
gregb
response 1 of 156: Mark Unseen   Dec 23 19:40 UTC 1998

Walter, considering the nature of this conf., would it be prudent to 
make it a read-only area for the regular users?  Just a thought.
remmers
response 2 of 156: Mark Unseen   Dec 23 19:48 UTC 1998

Yeah, then we wouldn't have to put up with responses like #1.  :)
aruba
response 3 of 156: Mark Unseen   Dec 23 20:07 UTC 1998

Re #1:  Not sure what you mean by "read-only for  the regular users" Greg.
I'm happy with the way these first few  items have worked in the past.
remmers
response 4 of 156: Mark Unseen   Dec 23 20:18 UTC 1998

I think he means a place where staffish types can post announcements but
which is read-only for others. Such a place already exists -- the motd
-- so I think it's nice to have an open one in addition (this item).
gregb
response 5 of 156: Mark Unseen   Dec 23 23:29 UTC 1998

Hmmm, upon relection (gotta get rid of those mirrors), I can see where 
various responses might be useful.  Forget I said anything.
aruba
response 6 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 2 23:24 UTC 1999

There will be a Grex potluck at my place this Friday - see item 47 for
details.
davel
response 7 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 3 18:54 UTC 1999

Hmm.  Since this is item #76 (in helpers), & 47 showed no new activity, I can
only suppose that you mean agora item 47?
aruba
response 8 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 05:14 UTC 1999

Yes, Winter '99 agora item 47.  (Sorry I didn't notice this item was linked.)
steve
response 9 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 06:43 UTC 1999

   Grex was off the net for about 1.5 hours on Monday January 4th from about
12.15am to 1.45am.
gregb
response 10 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 20:37 UTC 1999

Request to all:  To help keep track of what response goes with which 
msg., please try to remember to put the original msg. # in your 
response.  Some of these confs. have a rapid turnover, which means it's 
possible to come into a conf and read msgs. that have no apparent 
meaning, unless you know which msg. was the origin.

Those that are already doing this, it's appreciated.
senna
response 11 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 13:51 UTC 1999

Request to all:  Please don't paste inane repetitive messages like spam 
all over agora.
senna
response 12 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 13:52 UTC 1999

Woohoo, boy.  I think sarcasm is dripping all over my keyboard, it'll 
take forever to clean up.  Sorry :)
rcurl
response 13 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 18:15 UTC 1999

You might want to post that in all the conferences......
gregb
response 14 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 15:00 UTC 1999

Re. 11:  Since not everyone reads all the confs., it seemed logical to post
it this way.  If there's an alternative that accomplishes the same goal, I'd
like to know.
toking
response 15 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 16:34 UTC 1999

sure there is...walk up to everyone you see and pee on their
shoe...it'll be just about as annoying
albaugh
response 16 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 16:58 UTC 1999

No, create an item announcing the "refer to response item # please" request,
then link that item to every other conference!  :-)
aruba
response 17 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 17:00 UTC 1999

Honestly, Greg, I don't really understand what response 10 means, becasue I
don't know what you mean by "message number" - do you mean for people to
refer to the response # they are replying to (so I should have said "Re #14"
at the beginning of this), or do you mean I should put the item number (in
this case, 3) in each response?
gregb
response 18 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 17:17 UTC 1999

Re. 17:  Response #.  Sorry for the confusion.
rcurl
response 19 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 17:29 UTC 1999

It might have been better if this idea had been posted not as an
identical (somewhat unclear) response in many conference, but as
a specific comment in a conference about a particular response (which
had not identified the response to which it was responding). After
all, many responders do Re# in their responses. 
senna
response 20 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 20:06 UTC 1999

It might have been better just to use the "only" command to figure out what
messages they were referring to.  Occasionally I miss the message someone's
referring to.  I either ignore it or I scroll back and find out what they're
talking about or I use my deductive skills to get into the line of
conversation.
aruba
response 21 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 02:01 UTC 1999

Yeah, if in my judgement what someone is saying is worth reading, it's usually
worth figuring out what they're talking about.  For instance, in item 2 of
Agora I saw this response:

#87 of 92: by Greg (gregb) on Tue, Jan  5, 1999 (23:51):
 I heard Leonard Nimoy read the whole thing on one of his albums some
 years ago.  The album (whose name escapes me) called it something
 else.  I had thought it was his LN's work.

And frankly, was quite confused about what gregb was talking about.  Since
things about Leonard Nimoy tend to interest me I scrolled back about 5
responses and found a reference to the Desiderata, and guessed that that was
what "the whole thing" was referring to.
gregb
response 22 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 14:37 UTC 1999

Re. 20, 21:  "scrolling back" isn't as easy as you make it sound in Picospan,
unless there's a command I don't know about.  And why put more work on the
reader when it's much simpler if the author simply puts a msg. ref. in their
msg.  As for the Nimoy ref.: You'll notice that I included a source ref. at
the beginning, which eliminates any confusion.
senna
response 23 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 15:09 UTC 1999

Oh, right, hadn't noticed that part, oh great behavioral manager of agora.
scott
response 24 of 156: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 15:11 UTC 1999

Re 22:  Most people who telnet or dial in can scroll back in their terminal
program.  PicoSpan lets you enter a responce number at the "Respond or Pass"
prompt, or you can try a negative number for the number of responses from the
end to display.
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