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Grex System Announcements - Fall 2004 Mark Unseen   Sep 23 01:59 UTC 2004

This item is for system announcements (new computer equipment on Grex, 
system upgrades, Grex meetings, etc.).  Personal announcements should go 
back in item 2; Grex system *problems* belong in the next item (#4). 
139 responses total.
albaugh
response 1 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 17:52 UTC 2004

> Thu Sep 30 23:03:54 EDT 2004: Grex's system and user home directory disk
> partitions have been backed up to tape.                         -gelinas.

Many thanks to gelinas (and anyone else who may have assisted) in carrying out
this disk backup exercise.
remmers
response 2 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 17:56 UTC 2004

Yes, many thanks to Joe (who I think did it all himself).
tod
response 3 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 18:12 UTC 2004

Thanks for restoring the parenting cf!
mary
response 4 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 20:23 UTC 2004

Thanks, Joe!
slynne
response 5 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 23:31 UTC 2004

Thanks JOe!
tsty
response 6 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 05:06 UTC 2004

thankxxxxx gelinas!
naftee
response 7 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 16:00 UTC 2004

re 3 He didn't !
janc
response 8 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 19:28 UTC 2004

The new Grex server is inching closer to coming into service.  I've
written up a summary of what changes to expect at

   http://www.unixpapa.com/nextgrex.html
aruba
response 9 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 20:25 UTC 2004

Thanks Jan - that's a nice summary.
remmers
response 10 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 20:27 UTC 2004

Nice writeup, Jan.  Thanks loads for all the work you've put into this.
mfp
response 11 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 20:55 UTC 2004

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tod
response 12 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 21:00 UTC 2004

You'll have to pass a DHS background check and show up to at least one Grex
feeding frenzy..er Grexwalk.
gull
response 13 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 02:17 UTC 2004

Re resp:8: Thanks for posting this.  It's really reassuring to know that 
progress is being made.

Re resp:11: That's a seperate issue.  Since it's a bylaw issue, the way 
to get it changed is to make a proposal in coop and convince people to 
vote for it.
krokus
response 14 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 02:25 UTC 2004

The feeding frenzy is the Grex Lunch, not the walk.  :P
rcurl
response 15 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 05:49 UTC 2004

A change in the bylaws to not require ID would be a violation of state
law. The corporation *must* be able to produce a membership list,when
required by law, showing legal names and addresses (it does not have to
make it public, however). 

mfp
response 16 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 05:51 UTC 2004

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rcurl
response 17 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 05:59 UTC 2004

I have posted the relevant sections of the Michigan Consolidated Laws. 
(Any single, or married, lawyers here, to repeat this to mfp?)
mfp
response 18 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 06:09 UTC 2004

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mcnally
response 19 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 06:37 UTC 2004

 re #15:  I read the section of the Michigan code that you posted
 and must have missed the part that unambiguously supports your
 position.. 
rcurl
response 20 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 07:20 UTC 2004

My wife doesn't think I'm single - singular, perhaps.

What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
shareholders or members entitled to vote"? How can you do that without
ID? But, consider also 450.2485:

"The corporation shall keep at its registered office....records containing
the names and addresses of all shareholders or members.......A corporation
shall convert into written form without charge any record...upon written
request of a person entitled to inspect them."

This sort of requirement is scattered throughout the MCL. It is remiss of
directors of a non-profit to not be familiar with the body of non-profit
law anyway, in order to avoid mistakes in creating bylaws and acts. 
mcnally
response 21 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 08:25 UTC 2004

> What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
> shareholders or members entitled to vote"?

The ambiguous part is what level of diligence is required on the part of
the corporation to ensure that the information is correct.  It says nothing
about ID.

> How can you do that without ID?

I still don't see anything in the law that requires ID.

tpryan
response 22 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 11:22 UTC 2004

        I'm moving to the idea of ID verifing all (new) accounts.
other
response 23 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 13:34 UTC 2004

Tim, non illegitimati carborundum est.  ;)
tod
response 24 of 139: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 16:14 UTC 2004

re #15
"required by law, showing legal names and addresses"
You forgot to add some other stuff not mentioned like social security numbers,
favorite color, favorite soft drink, and number of toes on the left foot. ;)

The laws for non-profits plainly state you just need a list of members.
PERIOD.  The requirement for ID is a fabrication by Cyberspace, Inc.
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