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Grex > Coop > #232: Taking root access from non participatants | |
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lar
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Taking root access from non participatants
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Jun 28 04:50 UTC 2008 |
If you are a non participatant we move to take away your root access.
non participatant as defined as not logging in at least once a week.
We need to take the keys of the kingdom away from the old guard and
let some new blood emerge. We need members with a new vision for Grex.
Unix on a Sun was a novel idea in the late 80s and early 90s but now
anybody can get a Linux or FreeBSD distro and set up a *nix box.
We need to take roo access away from glenda and steve because steve
has acted like a cowboy by turning off new user. Such independant
action by a root should be instantly dealt with by the BOD and if they
refuse to act I say we call for thier resignation. I for one call for
the resignation of Chuck Martin aka: unicorn for incompetance and the
shirking of his responsabilities.
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gelinas
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response 1 of 126:
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Jun 28 13:10 UTC 2008 |
Had newuser not been turned off, it is quite likely that grex itself would
have been: the attacks on grex were getting out of hand. Turning off
newuser was (and, right now, is) the only way to keep the vandals from
coming back.
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keesan
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response 2 of 126:
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Jun 28 14:21 UTC 2008 |
If we fire all the staff what next?
Is there some way to allow new users at least web interface access?
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gelinas
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response 3 of 126:
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Jun 28 14:32 UTC 2008 |
Anyone can read the conferences anonymously, Sindi. Posting requires logging
in, which requires an account.
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keesan
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response 4 of 126:
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Jun 28 14:38 UTC 2008 |
I am suggesting finding a way to let new users have accounts but restrict them
to web interface only, so that they cannot vandalize grex (at least not as
easily - it would presumably take longer to litter all the items in agora).
Also perhaps there could be some restriction on the length of a posting by
future users until they have proved themselves sane.
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gelinas
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response 5 of 126:
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Jun 28 15:05 UTC 2008 |
This kind of policy has already been discussed and approved, and is merely
(!) awaiting implementation.
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keesan
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response 6 of 126:
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Jun 28 22:24 UTC 2008 |
Is anyone actually working on the details?
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lar
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response 7 of 126:
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Jun 29 11:28 UTC 2008 |
I don't think preventing shell access is the answer but rather a
strict validation protocol. And lets remember that all this abuse came
from one user.
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mary
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response 8 of 126:
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Jun 29 12:47 UTC 2008 |
Any solution that requires someone else to do the work is not going to
go anywhere. We don't have worker bees anymore. What we have are users
in denial.
We need to migrate Grex somewhere where software and hardware issues are
offered, for a reasonable fee. This community does a reasonable job of
raising money so I think paying for this service won't be a problem, at
least not in the short run. A few (non-techie) folks could
administrate. But I don't see this as happening because we're a
democracy and folks would rather see Grex go down than see their pet
feature eliminated.
We've had a nice run. I don't consider Grex a failure but maybe we've
taken this model as far as it can go.
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gelinas
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response 9 of 126:
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Jun 29 17:10 UTC 2008 |
(Thus my comment on disposing of everything at once.)
I *think* Dan did some work on the validation code. I've not had time to
follow the development, so I don't really know where it stands.
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slynne
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response 10 of 126:
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Jun 29 17:31 UTC 2008 |
I agree with resp:8
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nharmon
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response 11 of 126:
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Jun 29 23:42 UTC 2008 |
I disagree with #8. Those who have given up on Grex should try and keep out of
the way if/when there is a revolution in staff.
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slynne
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response 12 of 126:
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Jun 30 00:21 UTC 2008 |
I'll do that
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lar
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response 13 of 126:
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Jun 30 03:47 UTC 2008 |
gid rid of steve as a root and maybe we can persuade mcnally and cross
to accept a staff position. Maybe spooked would come back as well. In
fact if we get rid of chuck martin we could cut a deal with cdalten.
He doesn't hate grex so much as he hates unicorn. He wouldn't be a big
loss since he's not ever here anyway.
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jep
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response 14 of 126:
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Jun 30 14:17 UTC 2008 |
I'd ask for my account to be removed if cdalten becomes a member of
Grex's staff.
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tod
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response 15 of 126:
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Jun 30 19:16 UTC 2008 |
Stranger things have happened.
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lar
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response 16 of 126:
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Jul 1 11:05 UTC 2008 |
re#14
Why is that? You're a BOD member of a group of reformed trolls aka:
m-net.
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jep
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response 17 of 126:
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Jul 1 15:08 UTC 2008 |
Cdalten has shown his level of respect for the users of Grex, and his
level of maturity. I wouldn't care to be part of a system with someone
like that in charge.
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tod
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response 18 of 126:
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Jul 1 20:37 UTC 2008 |
Is there a rule someone has to respect Grex to be part of Arbornet?
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lar
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response 19 of 126:
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Jul 2 10:55 UTC 2008 |
Who said anything about putting him in charge? Where did you get that
from?
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jep
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response 20 of 126:
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Jul 2 13:15 UTC 2008 |
re resp:18: As usual, I have no idea what, if anything, you meant to
say. Did you enter your response in the right item?
re resp:19: It looked to me like resp:13 was regarding staff members,
and cdalten was mentioned in that response.
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lar
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response 21 of 126:
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Jul 2 14:10 UTC 2008 |
I was just suggesting that we cut a deal with cdalten since most of his
bitterness is directed at something chuck martin did to him. I was
suggesting we eliminate unicorn from staff( considering how he doesn't
log in anyway) not make chad a staff member.
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marcvh
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response 22 of 126:
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Jul 2 15:43 UTC 2008 |
Are you in favor of appeasement in general, or just in this case?
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slynne
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response 23 of 126:
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Jul 2 16:00 UTC 2008 |
I dont think it would hurt to engage cdalten in a discussion but I dont
particularly think it is a good idea to make staffing decisions based on
the most troublesome users
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jep
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response 24 of 126:
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Jul 2 16:53 UTC 2008 |
I have discussed cdalten's behavior toward Grex with cdalten on M-Net.
I've mainly let him know my perspective, that unicorn has been a
contributor to Grex whereas cdalten has not contributed anything
positive to anyone. I'd be willing to see cdalten arrested for his
actions, and have told him so. I'd personally be willing to do whatever
I could to see that happen.
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