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cmcgee
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Grand Opening Coop14
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Jun 15 14:21 UTC 2007 |
Welcome to the new Coop. We're in version 14!
This time, I have editiorial rights to the Bylaws, which I'm sure need to be
brought up to date with votes that have occurred since it was last edited.
I think remmers may be able to help me with this, but if you notice anything,
let me hear about it.
I've brought over all of this year's Treasurer's Reports, Board Agendas, and
Board Meeting Minutes. I linked any item that's had a response in the past
two weeks. Again, if you want some other item here for reference, let me
know.
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mary
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response 1 of 50:
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Jun 20 04:31 UTC 2007 |
Colleen, here is some background.
The bylaws live in /usr/local/grexdoc/archives/bylaws . When there is a
member vote that changes the bylaws I have done the editing to reflect the
approved ammendment. I pull up the last version of the document, make the
exact approved changes, and save the document with a new version number
appended to the file name. This system has worked pretty well by keeping
archival copies of all versions as they were approved. Yet it's pretty
clear which is the current (last) version.
The current bylaws (which you've posted here) are at:
/usr/local/grexdoc/archives/bylaws/bylaws.v6
What file are you intending to edit? Or maybe you mean you'd simply
edit the text you've entered in this item to reflect any changes?
Would you rather I keep a copy of the latest version at something like:
/usr/local/grexdoc/archives/bylaws/bylaws.current
and you could link to that knowing it would stay up to date?
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kingjon
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response 2 of 50:
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Jun 20 19:37 UTC 2007 |
The conference header of coop14 says "Welcome to the Co-op Conference [Ver
13]", the same as coop13.
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keesan
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response 3 of 50:
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Jun 20 19:45 UTC 2007 |
No need to link the spam item, but I am still getting spam filter requests,
13 so far.
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cmcgee
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response 4 of 50:
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Jun 20 20:45 UTC 2007 |
Thanks kingjon, I'll fix that. Mary, I would like to have a current version
here as well, so I'll be updating that item. But I have no problem using your
edits, so that everything stays in sync.
Sindi, is that 13 total since Feb 27? Or 13 new ones since your last report?
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cross
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response 5 of 50:
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Jun 20 21:41 UTC 2007 |
Regarding #1; How about using a tool to keep track of the revisions? Like
RCS?
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mary
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response 6 of 50:
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Jun 20 22:28 UTC 2007 |
What's RCS?
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keesan
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response 7 of 50:
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Jun 20 22:28 UTC 2007 |
13 total requests for spam filters, all but 3 from strangers.
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cross
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response 8 of 50:
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Jun 20 22:55 UTC 2007 |
Regarding #6; Revision control software; it allows you to maintain history
of files and coordinate changes among multiple people in a simple way. In
a nutshell, old versions of a document are stored in a text file called
(originally) an RCS file; the RCS file contains enough information that any
previously `checked in' version of the file can be reconstructed by request.
Users `check out' a file to edit it; once they're done, they `check in' their
changes. Only one user can have a file checked out at a time to change it,
though essentially anyone can read it at any time.
Check out the man pages for `rcs', `co' and `ci'. A not-bad-looking tutorial
on how to use the tools is here:
http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dbutler/tutorials/winter96/rcs/
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mcnally
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response 9 of 50:
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Jun 20 23:04 UTC 2007 |
re #6: RCS stands for "Revision Control System". It's a system
originally designed to aid teams of programmers who were working
on a shared set of source code files by creating tools to manage
a single version of the file and keep a log of revisions, allowing
retrieval of previous versions, comparisons of different revisions,
and other features. Although originally designed for keeping
program source code, RCS and similar revision-tracking systems
can be used for a wide variety of documents.
Basically what happens is this: before you can edit a document
that's controlled by RCS you have to "check it out". Once you've
got it checked out, you can make changes or whatever, but nobody
else sees those changes until you check your copy back in.
If you're the only one who has been editing it, the version you
checked in becomes the new version (but the old version is kept
around, too, and people can look at the edit history and elect
to get a different version to work from.) If someone else made
edits when you had your copy checked out then you're given a
chance to reconcile your edits with theirs when you check your
copy back in. The idea is to create a mechanism where if two
people are trying to edit the same document one's changes don't
simply get over-written by whoever saves their copy last.
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mcnally
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response 10 of 50:
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Jun 20 23:09 UTC 2007 |
re #8: apparently it's been a while since I've used RCS.
I thought multiple people could have a copy of the file checked
out, but maybe not..
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cross
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response 11 of 50:
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Jun 20 23:39 UTC 2007 |
Not in the canonical configuration. With RCS, there's one copy of the files
under edit; with CVS and so on, multiple copies can be checked out into
workspaces (or sandboxes, or whatever they call it; I forget the exact
nomenclature). But by default, locks are strict in RCS.
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cmcgee
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response 12 of 50:
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Jun 20 23:52 UTC 2007 |
I've used CVS, so I'm used to multiple simultaneous edits.
However, I think in this case, it's like using excel to balance your
handwritten check register. Far too complex for what we need.
I'm happy with Mary editing the canonical version, to be kept somewhere else,
and making sure I have the latest revisions here.
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mary
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response 13 of 50:
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Jun 21 02:22 UTC 2007 |
Agree. But thanks, Dan and Mike, for the explanation.
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cross
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response 14 of 50:
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Jun 21 02:25 UTC 2007 |
Sure.
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cmcgee
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response 15 of 50:
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Sep 6 17:55 UTC 2007 |
Could we have an update on the number of users who have requested help
in setting up spam filters?
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keesan
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response 16 of 50:
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Sep 6 19:51 UTC 2007 |
13. One of them just wanted a whitelist. One wrote back asking if the spam
filter was broken when the spam volume doubled recently. Another wrote asking
why he was getting spams 'from' grexers (not the vandals, these were spams
purporting to be from grexers, including the recipient). Someone else wrote
me for help with something unrelated, which I forwarded to staff.
Most of the people wrote within the first month. One of them reported back
that 80% of spams were caught by spamassassin, after keeping track for a few
days.
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cmcgee
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response 17 of 50:
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Sep 6 20:12 UTC 2007 |
Is that the same 13 you reported in response 7 back in June?
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keesan
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response 18 of 50:
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Sep 6 22:23 UTC 2007 |
I think I had one more request since June. Maybe nobody else cares about
spam here.
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cyklone
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response 19 of 50:
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Sep 7 01:03 UTC 2007 |
I know I don't.
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keesan
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response 20 of 50:
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Sep 7 04:00 UTC 2007 |
How about asking in motd for people to write to some address about whether
they do or do not want to continue using grex for email, and if so, do they
want their mail filtered?
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cmcgee
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response 21 of 50:
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Sep 7 11:55 UTC 2007 |
Would you drop the system-wide mail filtering concept. If a total of 13
people were unable to deal with it individually, out of our thousands of
users, I'd say we've already got our poll. The fact than no one in the past
3 months has requested this service is even more telling.
We *were* conducting a poll. You were getting all the answers. People don't
want this. Active conference users have vehemently expressed this. Let it
go.
As for a poll about offering email on grex, that will be a member vote, not
an unprofessional attempt at polling. We won't argue about what the poll
means. We'll just go with the results.
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keesan
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response 22 of 50:
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Sep 7 15:00 UTC 2007 |
If only a minority of members use a particular service at grex, is that a
reason to discontinue it? I never use party. Or play games.
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cmcgee
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response 23 of 50:
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Sep 7 15:02 UTC 2007 |
(takes the bait).
We are not talking about discontinuing a service because only a minority is
using it. Please don't troll in here. Agora is a better place.
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keesan
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response 24 of 50:
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Sep 7 15:13 UTC 2007 |
DO you propose to discontinue mail if a majority of paying members votes to
do so? If not, what percentage of votes would you like to require? Obviously
some of us still use grex mail. What is the purposes of putting it to a vote?
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