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keesan
impeachbush.org Mark Unseen   Jan 19 18:32 UTC 2006


I got this response from my representative when I sent him an automatic
request to impeach Bush at impeachbush.org.


Dear Cynthia:

       Thank you for your recent comments concerning the possible
censure of President Bush and Vice President Cheney.  Like you, I
believe that this administration was misleading in their justification
for the Iraq War.

       I believe the President and his administration misled the
Congress and the American people in the lead up to the war in Iraq.
I believe they continue to hide the true costs of the war, have no plan
to rebuild or competently democratize the country, and hold the
international community in contempt.  For all of these reasons, and
many more, I have been working with my Democratic colleagues to
shine a light on their misdeeds.  One such troubling incident was the
Downing Street Memo, which contains the minutes of a meeting
held by high ranking British foreign affairs staff prior to the Iraq
War.

       Among the Downing Street Memo's findings are statements
that American intelligence was being "fixed" around the existence
of weapons of mass destruction and that the US Defense Department
gave little thought to reconstruction and other post-war problems.
The Downing Street Memo is troubling and should be explained by
the Bush Administration.  Unfortunately, because the President's
party controls both branches of Congress, as well as the
investigatory agencies of the executive branch, it is highly unlikely
that any official investigation, or a successful move to censure, will
be launched.

       However, the move to censure President Bush is neither
rooted in Congressional precedent nor politically realistic in a
Republican-controlled Congress.  A censure resolution would not
have the force of law and would do nothing more than fulfill an
emotional need while simultaneously trivializing the transgressions
that brought about the censure in the first place.  The Constitution
only provides the Congress with the ability to impeach, convict, and
remove a President from office.  In our entire history, only two
Presidents have been impeached.  In both cases, the US Senate sided
with the President and failed to convict him of a high crime or
misdemeanor.  Impeachment is an extraordinary action.  If
undertaken haphazardly - as the Republican Congress did in the case
of President Clinton - it harms all of our governmental institutions.



       Again, thank you for being in touch.  For news on current
federal legislative issues, please visit my website at
www.house.gov/dingell; you can also sign up there to receive my e-
newsletter.  In the meantime, please do not hesitate to contact me
again if I may be of assistance with this or any other matter of
concern.

       With every good wish,

                                                Sincerely yours,


                                                John D. Dingell
                                                Member of Congress

54 responses total.
tod
response 1 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 18:42 UTC 2006

I read Honorable Rep Dingell's response as "The Republicans will destroy the
very fabric of our government over a blowjob.  On the other hand, we need more
than a Mussolini to convince ALL of Congress to eject this turd so let's keep
the course and hope the elections turn things around."
A very wise strategy, imo.
nharmon
response 2 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 18:47 UTC 2006

I like John Dingell, even though he is old enough to have remembered
both impeachments.
rcurl
response 3 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 18:58 UTC 2006

Why should his age be an "even though"?  I think people should forget 
about age and respond to the person. But otherwise, I agree: I met him on 
a field trip in Monroe County, which he joined because he wanted to learn 
about the groundwater problems of a new constituency after districts were 
rearranged.
nharmon
response 4 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 19:13 UTC 2006

It was a joke Rane. Old enough to have remembered both
impeachments...he'd have to be 138 years old. I think Mr. Dingell would
have found that humorous.
klg
response 5 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 20:53 UTC 2006

Just goes to show that some politicians will say just about anything to 
be elected.
twenex
response 6 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 20:53 UTC 2006

Wow. Maybe you're catching on.
happyboy
response 7 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 23:10 UTC 2006

*hi 5!*
rcurl
response 8 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 00:31 UTC 2006

Re #4: but that doesn't explain why you even *care about* his age so much 
to make a joke about it. 
tod
response 9 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 00:35 UTC 2006

re #5
Honestly, most first time communications from constituents are just a request
for self affirmation.  Unless you're a powerplayer from some organization,
a politician isn't going to be the one responding but rather they're going
to have one of many staff replying to you with their template response.
What is telling in this case though is that such a template exists for an
inquiry to impeachment of GW or Cheney.   8D  *CHUCKLE*
nharmon
response 10 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 00:51 UTC 2006

Come on Rane, even you can laugh once in a while.
rcurl
response 11 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 05:21 UTC 2006

I do laugh at things that are humerous. 
bhoward
response 12 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 09:11 UTC 2006

Re#9 I interned for one of the senators from my home state at the
time (Dodd, CT) for a semester.  My primary responsibility was to
reply to constituent letters.

Most letters were from people trying to get into the military, out
of the military or asking about an INS related issue.  After that,
were those expressing an opinion on a particular issue.  Given the
volume of mail we handled, there was a well structured process for
sorting and counting (opinion letters were considered very valuable
polling data) so that we could pass on an accurate read of constituent
views to the Senators senior staff.

Computers weren't nearly as common at the time...we banged out each
response (everyone got a response) by hand on an IBM Selectrex, and
I'm certain the process is far more automated, but each letter was
considered very important.  It was assumed that anyone bothering
to write/type and mail something to their representative could be
assumed to speak for some number of others who did not bother or
have the wherewithall to do so themselves.

The responses to views pro/con/alternative on key or common issues
did have prewritten material which would be included in whatever
else was sent in the reply to the constituent but they did change.
I saw the "boiler plate" updated on several issues in the 6months
I worked there as the Senator evolved or outright changed his views.
klg
response 13 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 11:56 UTC 2006

(Is curl saying he finds upper arms funny?  Do cold weather shirts make 
him depressed?))
nharmon
response 14 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 13:10 UTC 2006

Re 12:  Bruce, how sucessfull are people who write to senators trying to
get into the military?
jep
response 15 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 13:55 UTC 2006

I found resp:12 to be very interesting.  Thanks for posting it.

I wonder how e-mails are valued versus written letters?  Also, how were 
phone calls on issues viewed?  Were points of some kind assigned to 
different type of communications?

I expect you must have received letters from chronic complainers, and 
some people who sent the same letter every day.  If letters are blindly 
fed into a system, and anyone becomes savvy to that situation, some 
people would send 100 letters per day to warp the statistics.  How does 
a senator or congressman's staff deal with that sort of thing?
bhoward
response 16 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 15:52 UTC 2006

Re#14 Nathan, most people writing to a Senator to get into the
military are looking for sponsorship into West Point, Annapolis or
the Air Force Academy.  Most are not successful -- not necessarily
because they are not qualified, the positions available are few and
the competition is intense and not surprisingly, the selection
process can become political.

Keep in mind that my position as an intern never brought me anywhere
vaguely close to this process other than possibly forwarding such
letters.  What I do know mainly comes from other sources including
my father who went to West Point (Go Army! Beat Navy!)

Re#15 John, email was not a factor at the time.  Our only computers
were terminals on Lexis/Nexis which we used to reference passed and
proposed legislation. (may be blanking from the trauma -- it was
horribly primitive compared to what I was used to even from just
my first year at UM :-)

Telegrams and faxes might or might not have been considered important
depending on the source, volume and context in which they were
received -- they were certainly were not a significant factor while
I was there.  That said, I was there as an intern and for a short
time.
jadecat
response 17 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 16:38 UTC 2006

These days I've been told that unless you include title (Mr, Mrs, Dr,
etc) your letters and e-mails aren't even going to be read.
klg
response 18 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 17:11 UTC 2006

Main Entry: 3in tern 
Variant(s): also in terne  /'in-"t&rn/
Function: noun
Etymology: French interne, from interne, adjective
: an advanced student or graduate usually in a professional field (as 
medicine or teaching) gaining supervised practical experience (as in a 
hospital or classroom)


What was your advanced supervised practical experience?
tod
response 19 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 17:35 UTC 2006

re #14
There are also subcommittee chairs one can communicate with to address
military concerns.  While I was in, Sam Nunn's office was very responsive to
my collegues concerns.
nharmon
response 20 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 17:42 UTC 2006

When I was getting out of high school and looking for a job with the
military (I was denied for because of a previous knee injury) someone
suggested that I write to my congressman. At the time, I thought doing
so would be futile.
tod
response 21 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 17:44 UTC 2006

You could always apply to an agency to be a case officer...i mean..a
contractor, yea, a contractor
nharmon
response 22 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 18:15 UTC 2006

I did look into jobs with the NSA for when I graduate from college.
However, that would require living around the Washington DC area. I
don't think that is really for me.
tod
response 23 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 18:36 UTC 2006

The military wouldn't be any better.
happyboy
response 24 of 54: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 19:14 UTC 2006

re20: i thought you were denied because of vision problems.
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