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US Supreme Court rules in favor of choice at the end of life. Mark Unseen   Jan 18 03:19 UTC 2006

 01.17.05: Supreme Court Ruling A Defining Moment for Aid-in-Dying Law

The US Supreme Court ruled today in favor of choice at the end of life. In
a 6 to 3 decision, the court ruled the Attorney Generals attempt to intervene
in affairs of the states aid-in-dying law has exceeded his authority.

This is a watershed decision for freedom and democracy in the U.S., says
Barbara Coombs Lee, Co-CEO and president of Compassion & Choices. It reaffirms
the liberty, dignity and privacy Americans cherish at the end of life.

No government should threaten these rights nor usurp a states power to meet
the needs of its dying citizens, she says.

For now Oregons aid-in-dying law is safe. But Compassion & Choices efforts
have just begun. We will defend any Congressional attack on the Oregon law
while aggressively pursuing similar legislation throughout the nation. Please
join us in our Compassion For A Nation campaign, an effort to ensure that
every citizen in the Union is has the same freedoms Oregonians enjoy.

We will not stop until all Americans can live and die as free people, in
dignity and according to their own values.

(from http://www.compassionandchoices.org/news/index.php)
74 responses total.
richard
response 1 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 03:34 UTC 2006

Maybe this will entice the state of Michigan to free Dr. Jack 
Kevorkian. Dr. Kevorkian is 77 years old and in poor health, and the 
state of Michigan is denying him early parole and intends to keep him 
incarcerated.  His next parole hearing is not until mid 2007.  

Dr. Kevorkian's attorneys say he will not live that long, and they are 
pleading with Granholm to use her authority as governor to commute his 
sentence.  

Dr. Kevorkian is not a criminal.  His 'victim' was in serious chronic 
pain and sought him out and begged him for help in dying. This is a man 
whose only real "crime" was that he respected his patients who were 
suffering and recognized that morally they had the right to choose 
whether or not to end their lives.

You can write to him if you want.  His address is on his website:

Dr. Jack Kevorkian 
Inmate # 284797 
Thumb Correctional Facility 
3225 John Conley Dr 
Lapeer, MI 48446-2987 



    
bhelliom
response 2 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 08:22 UTC 2006

As much as I agree with the right to die, I think Kevorkian was pressing
his luck.  He started to see the issue (or maybe himself) as more
important than the people he was helping.  At least it appeared that
way, sometimes.
klg
response 3 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 12:05 UTC 2006

A sad day for the people with physical and mental disabilities.  And 
another step down for our society.


Dr. Death didn't just prescribe the means, he inserted the needle.

Let him rot.
bhelliom
response 4 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 13:39 UTC 2006

I'll be happy to uphold your wish to die a painful death in a puddle of
your own urine, KLG.
nharmon
response 5 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 15:13 UTC 2006

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rcurl
response 6 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 15:34 UTC 2006

People with physical and mental disabilities are not threatened by this
ruling, *unless* they themselves decide that they would like to die
comfortably when they have only months to live. KLG has clearly not read the
law. Some sections are:

"(1) An adult who is capable, is a resident of Oregon, and has been determined
by the attending physician and consulting physician to be suffering from a
terminal disease, and who has voluntarily expressed his or her wish to die,
may make a written request for medication for the purpose of ending his or
her life in a humane and dignified manner in accordance with ORS 127.800 to
127.897."

and

"(12) "Terminal disease" means an incurable and irreversible disease that has
been medically confirmed and will, within reasonable medical judgment, produce
death within six months. [1995 c.3 s.1.01; 1999 c.423 s.1]"
marcvh
response 7 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 15:47 UTC 2006

I guess I see this as a technical legal question about whether these kinds
of decisions should get made at the state level or at the federal level.
It makes no sense to me that someone can claim that similar issues (like
abortion) should be regulated at the state level, while in this particular
issue the federal government should override the state. 
klg
response 8 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 17:29 UTC 2006

Reputable reports from other countries show that the "protections" 
contained in the law are far from perfect in their application.

vanheyningen has a point.  But another contradiction is that the same 
court ruled against state laws allowing medical marijuana use.  Splain 
that one.
marcvh
response 9 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 17:46 UTC 2006

Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of it either.
tod
response 10 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:13 UTC 2006

The stats since the law was enacted in Oregon showed that over 95% of the
witting participants were affluent white men.  Out of the 10,000 or so
terminally and painfully ill, only about 200 opted in.  They had the pro's
and cons presented to them by at least 2 doctors and were well informed.
In some cases, even after the patients were granted the prescriptions..they
opted not to use them.

I don't see the point of raising boogeymen arguments about mentally ill being
issued a prescription for death by 2 competent doctors after extensive
counselling.  This is about freedom of choice for individuals that are on a
one way course to die painfully.  I guess folks would rather see a Hemingway
where the victim has to drink themself silly and swallow a shotgun?
jep
response 11 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:14 UTC 2006

Kevorkian flaunted his standing as a symbol of the Right to Die 
movement.  He was actively thumbing his nose at civil authority, 
placing himself above the law.  If he had had a moderate demeanor, 
conveying the impression he was sorry to be disobeying the law but that 
it was necessary, he'd be freely practicing now and he'd have done a 
lot of good for his movement.  Instead he set it up for an easy and 
prominent loss with his attitude (and Geoffrey Fieger didn't help 
anything).
tod
response 12 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:18 UTC 2006

The mistake Kevorkian made was videotaping the events.  They never would have
had anything on him otherwise because he did what alot of other doctors are
willing to do discreetly.  The prosecution was able to use the videotapes to
make Kevorkian look like a serial killer willing to forego extensive analysis
of alternatives to the patient.  It also didn't help that he dropped off
bodies at the hospital like a dog taking a dump rather than just leaving the
body in their home and calling 911 to send out the county coroner.
jep
response 13 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:23 UTC 2006

I understand that many end of life doctors are willing to quietly 
prescribe medication which they then make clear can be used in such a 
way as to end a person's life.  They don't seek headlines.  They don't 
invent death machines which they then drive around in a van and use on 
people in back alleys.  They don't find that sort of thing necessary.  
Kevorkian was more interested in fame and acclaim than in helping 
people in a dignified and respectful manner.
richard
response 14 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:25 UTC 2006

Kevorkian videotaped what he was doing because he did not believe what he was
doing was wrong.  He wanted to be put on trial so he could make his case. 
If he dies in jail, he becomes a martyr for his cause.  Which may be what he
really wants.  
tod
response 15 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:31 UTC 2006

The media made Kevorkian out to sound like a media whore but the guy was a
softspoken compassionate guy whose interest was in his patients.
bhelliom
response 16 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:56 UTC 2006

I don't think he was a media whore, but he was hamstrung by his own
arrogance in his beliefs.  I don't think he believed that he'd be
prosecuted, or perhaps he felt that a jury would acquit him again.
tod
response 17 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 19:09 UTC 2006

I think he knew well he was going to do some jailtime.  He obviously had a
very low opinion of society's commitment to freedom of choice.
jep
response 18 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 19:19 UTC 2006

Maybe it was his association with Fieger, who is nothing *but* a media 
whore.
twenex
response 19 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 19:23 UTC 2006

Re: #3. As if the likes of you give a shit about physically and mentally
disabled people. If the idea weren't so disgustingly offensive it'd be the
funniest thing I've heard in the last twelve months.
klg
response 20 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:19 UTC 2006

Dr Death is just a nut case.  Gazing into the eyes of people as they 
died??  He was too dangerous to be a doctor on the loose.
happyboy
response 21 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:29 UTC 2006

glass houses, kerry, re "nutcase."
tod
response 22 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 23:47 UTC 2006

I find it interesting that the Macomb County Sheriff got less time for raping
his secretary than Kevorkian got for assisting a suicide.  VERY interesting.
And to boot, the sheriff's SON got his old job..and right after election
results came out..they showed him celebrating at campaign headquarters with
jailbait girls running around drunk holding beers...right there on channel
4 and 7.  Blew my mind but spoke volumes about doubletalking rightwingers who
want max penalties for Kevorkian for snubbing the fascist pharmaceutical laws.
cross
response 23 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 00:04 UTC 2006

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tod
response 24 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 00:20 UTC 2006

<snickers behind dumpster with Sandy Levin>
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