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johnnie
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Heckuva Job! (in two parts)
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Mar 2 02:24 UTC 2006 |
Item #1:
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did
appreciate a serious storm but these levees got breached and as a result
much of New Orleans is flooded and now we're having to deal with it and
will." - George W. Bush, Sept. 1, 2005
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1675984
WASHINGTON Mar 1, 2006 (AP) In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms,
federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland
security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could
breach levees, risk lives in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm
rescuers, according to confidential video footage of the briefings.
Bush didn't ask a single question during the final government-wide
briefing the day before Katrina struck on Aug. 29 but assured
soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."
Six days of footage and transcripts obtained by The Associated Press
show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the
tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast,
they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources
to deal with the unprecedented disaster.
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Item #2:
The Feds are prosecuting Forrest County, Mississippi Sheriff Billy McGee
for commandeering two FEMA ice trucks and giving their contents to
locals in the midst of the Katrina disaster, when FEMA was too bolloxed
up to order it themselves.
http://tinyurl.com/qyj7r
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bru
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response 1 of 28:
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Mar 2 13:21 UTC 2006 |
So? The city of New Orleans is prosecuting a police commander who stayed at
his post thru the storm instead of evacuating as ordered. He helped a lot
of people in doing so, and is considered a hero by most.
And then you have Sheriff Lee of Jefferson Parish who prevented people from
leaving the city over the bridge into Jeffereson Parish , whose officers
threatened to shoot anyone coming out of the city post Katrina. His county
is giving him full support even thought he probably violated a number of
peoples civil rights.
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tod
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response 2 of 28:
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Mar 2 18:26 UTC 2006 |
How do we know which cops that stayed behind were the ones or not who raided
stores, ATM's and car lots? They disobeyed direct orders to evacuate and as
public servants holding public trust positions they should have not
interpreted it as a voluntary command. Maybe those cops who stayed behind
might not had found themselves in Wild West shootouts if they'd left town.
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happyboy
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response 3 of 28:
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Mar 2 18:47 UTC 2006 |
bru is concentrating on the little fish, not the big
administration fish.
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nharmon
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response 4 of 28:
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Mar 2 18:48 UTC 2006 |
I don't think there is much Bush could have done the day before the
hurricane struck that shouldn't have been done long before.
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twenex
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response 5 of 28:
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Mar 2 18:54 UTC 2006 |
Good Grief, Nate! Are you passing the buck? How unconservative of you!
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nharmon
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response 6 of 28:
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Mar 2 18:59 UTC 2006 |
Not at all.
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cross
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response 7 of 28:
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Mar 2 21:43 UTC 2006 |
This response has been erased.
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tod
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response 8 of 28:
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Mar 2 21:50 UTC 2006 |
He could've skipped cutting McCain's cake for half a day.
He also could've instructed Brown to go through DHS rather than directly to
his AWOL ass.
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nharmon
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response 9 of 28:
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Mar 3 01:43 UTC 2006 |
> He also could've instructed Brown to go through DHS rather than directly
> to his AWOL ass.
I thought that was part of the problem.
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tod
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response 10 of 28:
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Mar 3 06:20 UTC 2006 |
The main problem was that FEMA didn't feel it had to route through Chertoff.
Chertoff held the keys to the kingdom(ie.being able to round up other Federal
support.) Instead, FEMA went to the White House for lip service and no
action.
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bru
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response 11 of 28:
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Mar 3 06:32 UTC 2006 |
it is amazing to me that I have recently seen Brown on several liberal talk
shows and he is being treated as if he were badly treated by the White House.
I.E. He is treated as if he acted in accord with his responsibilities.
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nharmon
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response 12 of 28:
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Mar 3 13:05 UTC 2006 |
I wonder how Brown would have reacted if one of his subordinates
bypassed him in the chain of command.
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tod
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response 13 of 28:
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Mar 3 16:40 UTC 2006 |
re #11
He acted no less than what I would expect from an appointed lackey.
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johnnie
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response 14 of 28:
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Mar 3 16:52 UTC 2006 |
This is mildly interesting: Trying to CYA in response to the video
mentioned in #0, the Bush administration has released the transcript of
a conference call that they've previously insisted didn't exist. Huh:
"Administration and congressional officials said that the administration
provided congressional investigators earlier this year with official
transcripts of the daily noon FEMA conference calls conducted before,
during and after Katrina. But the administration initially told Congress
that the transcript for the Aug. 29 call--the call congressional
investigators were most curious about, given that it occurred as the
hurricane was actually battering the Gulf Coast--did not exist, with
officials initially telling Capitol Hill that someone at FEMA or
Homeland Security forgot to push the button on a tape recorder.
A White House official unexpectedly e-mailed the transcript to NEWSWEEK
earlier today Wednesday morning. Two officials familiar with
congressional investigations said that the document was turned over to
Capitol Hill investigators Tuesday night."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11626997/site/newsweek/
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tod
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response 15 of 28:
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Mar 3 17:03 UTC 2006 |
I seem to recall similar mysterious paperwork "not existing" then "appearing"
during GW's 2000 campaign. What a bunch of frat boy retards.
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mcnally
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response 16 of 28:
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Mar 3 17:26 UTC 2006 |
How does one verify that such a tape was actually recorded at the time
at which it was claimed to have been recorded, I wonder..
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tod
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response 17 of 28:
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Mar 3 17:28 UTC 2006 |
I suspect all calls to the ranch from the touchdown rooms make it into the
surveillance footage kept on DDR by Secret Service.
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mcnally
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response 18 of 28:
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Mar 3 19:01 UTC 2006 |
Which doesn't address my question at all..
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tod
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response 19 of 28:
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Mar 4 00:08 UTC 2006 |
You want to know how they got the video off the video conference server?
Probably through an FOIA request.
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nharmon
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response 20 of 28:
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Mar 4 02:14 UTC 2006 |
FOIA is awesome <in nharmon's best Ben Stein monotone voice>
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mcnally
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response 21 of 28:
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Mar 4 02:15 UTC 2006 |
No, what I want to know is if the administration suddenly produces a
"lost" tape that paints them in a better light, what reason is there
to trust that the tape is genuine?
Perhaps it seems a little too tin-foily to even ask, but I'm not
willing to cut the Bushies the benefit of the doubt any more..
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happyboy
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response 22 of 28:
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Mar 4 15:52 UTC 2006 |
why do you hate the baby jesus that is america, mike?
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tod
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response 23 of 28:
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Mar 4 17:20 UTC 2006 |
I didn't think the tape paints them in a better light. It shows them giving
lip service from The Ranch after official appointees field concerns.
GW was packing his carry-on for the McCain birthday bash while giving cookie
cutter responses into his speaker phone about "We'll be here to give you our
full support"
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bru
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response 24 of 28:
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Mar 4 19:20 UTC 2006 |
yeah? and what about the recordingd of the governor telling everyone the day
after teh hurricane that the levees were secure?
And then you can make the arguement that the levees did hold, it was the canal
walls that failed. (they are not levees!)
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