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sj2
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US bans anti-war countries from Iraq deals
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Dec 11 19:03 UTC 2003 |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1104298,00.html
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twenex
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response 1 of 50:
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Dec 11 19:06 UTC 2003 |
I'm sure we're all falling over ourselves in surprise.
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klg
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response 2 of 50:
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Dec 11 19:10 UTC 2003 |
Snivle, whine, boo-hoo.
Whadda buncha crybabies.
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twenex
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response 3 of 50:
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Dec 11 19:12 UTC 2003 |
Repeat #1.
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remmers
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response 4 of 50:
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Dec 11 20:21 UTC 2003 |
Even Bush realizes it was a dumb move.
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sj2
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response 5 of 50:
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Dec 11 20:29 UTC 2003 |
The $18 billion is US grant to Iraq. It is not a loan and it is not
money earned from selling Iraqi oil so US, technically, should have all
the rights to decide how they spend it.
Politically and diplomatically? Well, thats a different ballgame.
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jmsaul
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response 6 of 50:
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Dec 12 01:19 UTC 2003 |
I'd rather not be spending it on that bullshit at all.
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rcurl
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response 7 of 50:
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Dec 12 02:25 UTC 2003 |
If it is a grant to Iraq, Iraq should solicit and accept the bids. If it
is a grant to the so-called coalition, I suppose they should solicit and
accept the bids. However if they accept bids only from among themselves,
they are engaging in a conflict of interest.
It is partly very amusing. Who among the coalition are able to bid?
It consists of 48 countries - so I hope that, say, the Marshall Islands
will get their share. Actually, though, only a few countries have the
economic level to bid on major contracts, so most of the coalition are
being intentionally excluded. They shouldn't be much happier than the
non-coalition countries. The major parties that will get the gravy are,
therefore, among the following: Australia, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Poland,
Spain (?), UK, and, of course USA. Halliburton must be smiling from ear to
ear.
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krj
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response 8 of 50:
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Dec 12 05:33 UTC 2003 |
"And by the way, all you countries who we barred from bidding on the
Iraq rebuilding contracts, we're coming to you today to ask for your
help in forgiving all the debts Iraq owes you."
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sj2
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response 9 of 50:
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Dec 12 08:31 UTC 2003 |
Russia already refused to forgive the $8 billion loan after the Bush
administration announced the exclusion. So much for helping KBR and
Iraq.
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bhoward
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response 10 of 50:
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Dec 12 12:54 UTC 2003 |
8 billion is a lot of money, particularly for Russia. It would have
take a decently sized piece of the action in Iraq to compensate that.
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remmers
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response 11 of 50:
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Dec 12 15:22 UTC 2003 |
Re #8: Right, what a bunch of klutzes.
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other
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response 12 of 50:
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Dec 12 15:49 UTC 2003 |
Well, when you have no subtlety, all your tools begin to look a lot
like weapons you can use.
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gull
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response 13 of 50:
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Dec 12 15:52 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:8: Yeah, even I was amazed by the diplomatic tone-deafness being
demonstrated by the Bush administration. You'd think they'd at least
have had the sense to ask for loan forgiveness *before* slapping
everyone in the face...
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klg
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response 14 of 50:
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Dec 12 17:32 UTC 2003 |
You may wish to consider that there is a significant school of thought
which holds that the new government of Iraq is not required to abide by
the terms of agreements (such as loans) which were made by the deposed
government. We are sure that a large consideration that went into the
loan negotiations was risk inherent in being repaid, should the
despotic regime be deposed. The lenders ought not be shocked if they
do not receive repayment. (And they ought to have realized that being
on the wrong side of the war would not have helped, either!)
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klg
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response 15 of 50:
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Dec 12 17:38 UTC 2003 |
(You lefties oufht to note that opposition to the war was not a
necessary condition to being excluded from the general contractor list -
-- Israel is not on it.)
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gull
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response 16 of 50:
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Dec 12 18:47 UTC 2003 |
Canada, however, is excluded, in spite of the fact that they've made
substantial contributions to the rebuilding process and had been assured
they wouldn't be excluded.
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tod
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response 17 of 50:
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Dec 12 18:48 UTC 2003 |
This response has been erased.
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happyboy
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response 18 of 50:
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Dec 12 20:03 UTC 2003 |
what a horrible place!!!
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mcnally
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response 19 of 50:
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Dec 12 22:17 UTC 2003 |
re #17: which is ironic, since they probably invented beer in
(what is now) Iraq..
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happyboy
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response 20 of 50:
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Dec 13 03:09 UTC 2003 |
they probably *invented* it in south america too...and lots of
other places.
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bru
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response 21 of 50:
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Dec 13 04:17 UTC 2003 |
We had an interesting talk about beer today, how it originated, where it
originated, asnd the concensus was Iraq. Of course it may have been created
independently at other places and times.
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willcome
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response 22 of 50:
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Dec 13 04:32 UTC 2003 |
(they drink beer in Iraq)
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russ
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response 23 of 50:
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Dec 13 05:31 UTC 2003 |
Re #14: The term of art is "odious debts".
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lk
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response 24 of 50:
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Dec 13 08:12 UTC 2003 |
01:16 Saudi U.S. envoy: protest of restriction of reconstruction contracts
by countries opposed to Iraq war is `chutzpah`
00:31 Bush says hopes opponents of Iraq war - France, Germany, Russia will
help Iraqi people by wiping former regime`s debts
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