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Grex > Music2 > #279: Napster: Thieves or Coolness? |  |
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beeswing
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Napster: Thieves or Coolness?
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Sep 6 16:09 UTC 2000 |
I have discovered Napster.
Part of me feels it is stealing.
Part of me feels it is great that I can now I have songs when I'd have to
buy a CD full of songs I hate for the sake of one song. That I can have
all the 80s flashbacks I can stand, FREE!
Part of me wants a CD burner now REAL badly.
Part of me is very frustrated when I know phrases of songs, but not
artist or title so I can't find it on Napster.
Discuss.
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willard
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response 1 of 206:
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Sep 6 16:12 UTC 2000 |
Fuck the RIAA. Napster lives.
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edina
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response 2 of 206:
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Sep 6 16:14 UTC 2000 |
Bees - I am in the same boat you are - I partially feel it is stealing, but
also enjoy the convenience of it. Gary was able to make a Christmas cd of
all Irish songs he grew up on for free - he is a happy man.
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rcurl
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response 3 of 206:
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Sep 6 16:20 UTC 2000 |
It is stealing.
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willard
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response 4 of 206:
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Sep 6 16:24 UTC 2000 |
So what?
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tpryan
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response 5 of 206:
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Sep 6 16:28 UTC 2000 |
If I allready own the song on an LP, then download it via
Napster, am I stealing, or just shortcutting the route of LP to
audio in, to digital format?
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ashke
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response 6 of 206:
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Sep 6 17:30 UTC 2000 |
Uhh...I am the person Lars Ulrich would love to kill. Not that I downloaded
any Metalica (meanies) but I have been...bad there. Plus I havea CD burner.
My roommate and I have turned all our CD's into MP3's and have been looking
for our vynal and tape stuff there to have.
The day Napster was supposed to shut down, I like many others connected to
get our last minute songs. Oh my. I did 440 in 8 hours. Still done more
since. They're all cool and obscure stuff I love.
Long Live Free Music!
(hey bees, if you ahve a song question, ask me. I might know it, or at least
know someone who does!!)
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krj
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response 7 of 206:
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Sep 6 17:48 UTC 2000 |
(I don't want to dampen this discussion. There's an enormous mp3/Napster
item in the music conference, item #240 ( item:music,240 )
which one might read if one has a lot of time. I won't link this one
to music until it has time to acquire its own Agoraflavor.)
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slynne
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response 8 of 206:
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Sep 6 18:35 UTC 2000 |
Are all of the songs on napster copyrighted or are some of them put
there by artists hoping someone will download them so they can get some
recognition? It is stealing if it has a copyright but I can see the
value of a service like napster for up and coming musicians.
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jerryr
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response 9 of 206:
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Sep 6 20:51 UTC 2000 |
as i understand it, napster doesn't warehouse any mp3's. they act as a
clearing house.
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ea
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response 10 of 206:
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Sep 6 21:28 UTC 2000 |
Yes it's stealing. However, I (like so many other people) will argue
that the Recording Industry has yet to come up with an effective pricing
scheme. If they could charge me 2-5 cents per song and then give me the
song in MP3 format, I'd happily pay for most of the songs I've
downloaded from Napster (the others I own the CD for already, it's just
that I haven't found a good ripper program)
There are some songs that I've gotten through Napster that are rather
hard to get through normal channels. For example, I collect college
Marching Band and Drumline songs. If the college band has put out a CD,
they usually only distribute on-campus or close to it. Without Napster,
I wouldn't be able to get some of this music without some pretty
expensive travel costs.
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beeswing
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response 11 of 206:
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Sep 6 21:31 UTC 2000 |
ashke... there's some song from the 80s with the line "father, oh
father, everybody's young and far too serious". Title? Artist? Damn if
I know. But I MUST have it...
Didn't sleep last night for being awake downloading. Need a nap. But
must download more. More more more
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danr
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response 12 of 206:
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Sep 7 00:43 UTC 2000 |
re #10: There's no "yes, but" about it.
There's a very interesting article on this topic in the September 2000 issue of
The Atlantic. It's very interesting reading.
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rcurl
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response 13 of 206:
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Sep 7 00:46 UTC 2000 |
Do you know that *all* thieves are essentially complaining about a
"pricing scheme"?
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anderyn
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response 14 of 206:
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Sep 7 01:09 UTC 2000 |
I'll have to find a copy of the Atlantic, then. I figure that having a copy
of someone's CD/vinyl/cassette is okay if *a* they made it so you could hear
a group to see if you like them *b* you then buy the album so as to have a
legit copy or *c* you cannot buy a copy of that album because of out-of-print
issues. I still haven't figured out how to use Napster, and haven'tn really
been interested, since not very many people who frequent the site are going
to have the kinds of music which I'd want to download.
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krj
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response 15 of 206:
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Sep 7 05:27 UTC 2000 |
Back in resp:8, slynne asks: "Are all of the songs on napster copyrighted
or are some of them put there by artists hoping someone will download
them so they can get some recognition?..." There are thousands upon
thousands of songs available through Napster, and I'm sure that there
are many there which are offered with the permission of the copyright owner.
If I remember correctly, statistical studies were done as part of the
Napster suit, and these studies found that a number like 85% of the songs
available through Napster were copyrighted by the five major music
companies. Many more would be under copyright from smaller companies or
foreign companies.
In resp:9, jerryr states:
"as i understand it, napster doesn't warehouse any mp3's. they act as a
clearing house." Essentially correct. Napster operates a directory
service to the files on its users disks, and it distributes the software
which lets the users search the central directory and then download
the music files they want from other users' disks.
This does not help Napster legally, however.
The suit against Napster is based on the concept of "contributory
copyright infringement." Napster is accused by the RIAA of helping
other people make unlawful copies.
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jerryr
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response 16 of 206:
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Sep 7 10:28 UTC 2000 |
i knew that. my response was in response to slynne's question - i was
splitting hairs. there really aren't any songs "on" napster. i am trying
to uphold the fine tradition established by my hero, bill clinton. you
remember - it depends on the definition of "is"
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rcurl
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response 17 of 206:
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Sep 7 17:49 UTC 2000 |
Ah, a convert!
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jerryr
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response 18 of 206:
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Sep 7 18:36 UTC 2000 |
convert?
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rcurl
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response 19 of 206:
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Sep 7 18:41 UTC 2000 |
A convert to Bill Clintonism.
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krj
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response 20 of 206:
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Sep 7 19:07 UTC 2000 |
((Much as it pains me to recognize it, our general approval of
Clinton's presidency is one of the few things jerryr, rcurl and krj
would all admit to agreeing on. But we digress...))
Back to the topic: a slogan from a recent news article about Napster,
which of course I lost:
"20 Million Pirates Can't Be Wrong"
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ashke
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response 21 of 206:
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Sep 7 19:31 UTC 2000 |
<adjusts her eyepatch> Arrrrrrrr
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jerryr
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response 22 of 206:
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Sep 7 21:52 UTC 2000 |
bill clinton is my personal savior. has been since he became president. the
only thing i ever faulted him for was his choice of sluts. i have been
converted to nothing. sorry to disappoint.
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