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phenix
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Porn: erotica or explotation
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Oct 23 22:36 UTC 2001 |
the views expressed are Mr. Walters and do not reflect grex, nor
the Sexuality converence in any way.
that out of the way
PORN!
is it ok?
is it even something that turns people on?
what's your view?
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eeyore
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response 1 of 32:
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Oct 25 03:57 UTC 2001 |
Porn deffinately has its uses....
I would have to say that I prefer written vs. pictures, but since I'm not
a guy, that's not a surprise.
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jaklumen
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response 2 of 32:
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Nov 1 11:12 UTC 2001 |
I've been really numbed by it, and unfortunately, I've wallowed in it
deeply. Nevertheless, I have to say, it is so not real. The
portrayals are fake, especially in the particular materials that are
dubbed porn. Some view it as an aid to stimulus.. but I think I'm
fairly certain that staying grounded to one's own sexual relationship
is best. I mean, there should be plenty of fantasy and imagination
there without having to have someone else provide you with a scenario.
I don't know.. I'm not making my point well. But at least I know that
medium.
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jaklumen
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response 3 of 32:
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Nov 1 11:21 UTC 2001 |
Hmm.. and how is erotica and exploitation defined?
Porn, at its worst, is exploitation. Stripping, prostituting,
filmmaking-- it's all becoming more and more one package.
Where does a mere character begin and a real person end? We don't know
the real lives of porn stars, which I assume are generally obscure and
unknown. I can admit that they are objectified; I never thought of
them as anyone I could make acquaintances.
How can erotica exist, for that matter, without characters being
somewhat fictional? Do we respond to that which is subjective, or
objective?
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orinoco
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response 4 of 32:
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Nov 1 21:37 UTC 2001 |
Well, it sounds like there are a few questions here.
First off, you can ask whether porn is just _bad_. But even if there's
nothing wrong with porn, you can ask whether it can hurt people. And --
here's the kicker, in my opinion -- you can ask whose responsibility it is
when someone gets hurt. Is it the authors? The actors? The marketers? The
consumers? Is it -- oh jeez, here I go -- Our Culture?
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phenix
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response 5 of 32:
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Nov 1 22:18 UTC 2001 |
or is ith the uber llama who misenterpeted other wise harmless fun
frankly, i'm all about personal responsibility right now, i'm on a trip
if you will.
i think that the people who make snuff films are responsible, they wouldn't
exist if there wern't people willing to tape a crime made to order
i think the person who arranged the filim is resopnsible
i feel the person who comissioned it is also responsible too.
all equaly guilty, since they're ruining it for the rest of us damnit
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michaela
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response 6 of 32:
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Nov 2 00:13 UTC 2001 |
I love erotic literature, and well-done porn is okay. I'm more into
literature, though, since I can conjure my own images.
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orinoco
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response 7 of 32:
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Nov 2 23:06 UTC 2001 |
("Uber llama"? If the leading authority on porn is a wooly South American
quadruped, I don't want to know about it.)
Well, okay. But put blatantly illegal stuff like snuff films aside. (After
all, those would be illegal even if they weren't pornographic.) If an
ordinary porn film -- one with nothing wrong with it aside from the fact that
it _is_ porn -- causes harm to society, whose fault is it?
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flem
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response 8 of 32:
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Nov 9 18:56 UTC 2001 |
I think it's necessary first to decide whether or not it causes harm to
society. If you assume that it does, the question of who is responsible is
leading.
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echynn
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response 9 of 32:
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Nov 10 02:32 UTC 2001 |
Porn can be very stimulating if viewed with the right person
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jaklumen
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response 10 of 32:
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Dec 20 10:13 UTC 2001 |
And what is the difference between erotica and pornography?
I'm not sure if the line is as clear-cut as some might think. Is it a
degree of explicit detail-- and is it degrees of exposure in said
medium, or is the video media more explicit than the written one?
I haven't heard an excellent, objective distinction yet..
As for what has been termed erotica, I've enjoyed it much more when
Julie and I were subjects of our own stories.. and more still when it
just involved us alone. I always felt uncomfortable trying to create
characters that were not us.
*shrug* that make any sense?
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michaela
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response 11 of 32:
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Dec 20 12:52 UTC 2001 |
My personal definitions are such:
Pornography - pictures and videos
Erotica - stories
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lelande
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response 12 of 32:
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Dec 20 15:44 UTC 2001 |
i don't get off on porn, but i like it. i'd like to make some money from it.
late greek.
porne = whore
graphein = to write
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brighn
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response 13 of 32:
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Dec 20 15:50 UTC 2001 |
Those definitions are ironic, given that "pornography" includes "graphy"
meaning "written material."
Erotica - Pornographic art. ;}
Seriously, though, there IS an overlap. If you look at a sexually-oriented
piece of art, or read a sexually-explicit story, and have a base sexual
response, llike you want to fuck the people in the work, it's pornographic.
If you have a more aesthetic response -- the work evokes higher emotional
feelings -- it's erotic. Clearly something can cause both responses, and
clearly something can cause one response in one person and another in another
person. (I should also say that "base sexual response" could also be negative:
You could look at a scat photo, for instance, and be revolted that someone
would find that sexually interesting: That's a base sexual response from the
standpoint that you're not responding to any artistic content, you're
responding to how someone would sexually view it.)
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lelande
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response 14 of 32:
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Dec 20 21:20 UTC 2001 |
yyou stuttered right beffore you said "fuck"
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jazz
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response 15 of 32:
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Jan 9 19:33 UTC 2002 |
I'm really torn over the whole issue. I don't think there's anything
at all wrong with a picture of someone naked, or having sex, as long as they
weren't drugged into submission and forced to take the picture or if there's
something else going on, like child molestation. I certainly don't think
there's anything wrong with a fictional account that someone's written. At
the same time, I really don't like what the sex industry does to people.
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senna
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response 16 of 32:
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Jan 9 20:37 UTC 2002 |
The people who work in it, or the people who consume it? Or both?
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phenix
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response 17 of 32:
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Jan 9 21:36 UTC 2002 |
heh. i'd say i'd favour more the "people that work in it"
but that's just me
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flem
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response 18 of 32:
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Jan 10 16:14 UTC 2002 |
Wow. I have stuff to say about this, but I'm at work now and don't have the
time to write it down well. :(
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jazz
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response 19 of 32:
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Jan 11 19:14 UTC 2002 |
I'm thinking more about the people who work in the industry.
There is doubtless some social dysfunction in using a lot of porn.
I don't necessarily think it has to do with objectification and degradation
- if you're not already into those things, objectified porn or degrading porn
isn't going to "do it" for you - but more along the lines of desensitizing
and removing some of the impetus to correct social problems. But long periods
of sexual or relationship abstinence have their own problems, too, and insofar
as I can see, they're worse, so it's not that big of a deal.
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lelande
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response 20 of 32:
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Jan 11 19:39 UTC 2002 |
i broused hotornot.com for 2 hours last night.
i don't like porn, i just like pictures of girls with their clothes on
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