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phenix
too far? Mark Unseen   Jan 24 20:06 UTC 2002

ok, we all know that weird shit's out there, but the real questions is,
what's too far? even given consentual acts, what kind of play is taking 
things too far?
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jazz
response 1 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 20:12 UTC 2002

        It's too far when one of the participants says "no" (or a safeword if
you're into saying "no" as a kink) or otherwise clearly indicates that they're
uncomfortable with the "weird shit".

        By and large, I don't think that anything, when two parties consent,
is ethically wrong.  If someone seriously wants to *die*, which is about as
extreme as it gets, the person assisting them isn't committing murder (in my
book), and if one person doesn't, another surely will.  
i
response 2 of 56: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 03:34 UTC 2002

Spreading serious STD's.

Making babies who aren't really wanted or who'll start life with major
strikes against them.  (Can't afford to raise, fetal alcohol syndrome, &
various other things.)

Relationships across wide gaps in power or emotional strength.  (Bill &
Monica come to mind.) 

Emotionally below age of consent.

Substantial physical injury or risk thereof. 

Excessive social damage risk.  (One of you's the Pope, most incest, again
Bill & Monica, etc.) 

Excessive social disruption.  (Hanging by bungee cords under the Golden Gate
during rush hour, anyone?) 


Other than that, go ahead and substitute duct tape & dry lube for condom
and jelly. 
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