Seeking sexually explicit material on Grex

Jun 11 15:35 UTC 1999

I have been charged with finding some examples of sexually explicit
matrerial on Grex which we can submit as part of our "declaration" (the
document describing why Grex has standing in the case the ACLU is bringing
against the new Michigan law). 

The law in question defines "sexually explicit verbal material" as

  "an explicit and detailed verbal description or narrative account of
   sexual excitement, erotic fondling, sexual intercourse, or
   sadomasochistic abuse." 

I'd like to choose a few items which
   1. contain content which fits that definition, and 
   2. also contain some serious discussion.
I realize it is a value judgement to decide whether discussion is serious
or not.

I picked out one item, about pornography (item:femme,34) which I think
fits those criteria pretty well.  It also has the advangtage that the
sexually explicit content in it is not gratuitous, but central to the
discussion.  I also get a kick out of the fact that by submitting it we'll
be saying to the government - "this is how *we* deal with sexually
explicit material - we talk about it, rather than banning it."

This item is a request for pointers to other items that fit the criteria
above.  I looked through the sex conference, with help from gypsi, and
couldn't find much that fit both points.  I'd appreciate references that
were as specific as possible.

response 2 of 36:

Jun 11 16:40 UTC 1999

Try the agora items  Black, black, black.... and Right leg, left leg (or is
it left leg, right leg?), where bdh attempted to talk about his penis and sort
of got booed down.  The first item was pretty explicit.
Glb conference probably does not have anything sufficiently explicit, but
might be an example of something Michigan would try to ban anyway.  There have
been discussions of dictionary definitions, and of on-line sex, but people
tend to be rather vague about actual details.

response 4 of 36:

Jun 11 17:29 UTC 1999

I'm not sure that it would be usefull, but there are a few (I think)
items in poetry that get a little explicit....

response 6 of 36:

Jun 11 19:48 UTC 1999

I haven't gone through poetry1 yet, but:

item:poetry2,200
item:poetry2,399
item:poetry2,434
item:poetry3,22

response 10 of 36:

Jun 12 02:08 UTC 1999

I had wondered what, if anything, we have to say about the whole genre
of "hot chats".  It's probably the most common type of sexually explicit
material on Grex.

response 12 of 36:

Jun 12 03:59 UTC 1999

Though it is courteous, is it really necessary to get permission of authors,
if, as I have suggested, you extract only the content and not the userIDs of
the authors?

response 14 of 36:

Jun 12 05:54 UTC 1999

I think item:poetry3,22 is a good choice, and I've written to the authors
to ask permission.

response 16 of 36:

Jun 12 09:47 UTC 1999

Also, on that point, there are some authors that no longer use Grex, but 
their login is preserved in the item.  Therefore, it would be almost 
impossible to track them down and ask permission.

Eric (other) made a good point about it not being a legal obligation.  
There was some discussion in the past regarding copyrights, etc, led 
pretty much by brighn.  I couldn't remember the decision since I bowed 
out due to the repetitive whining on his part.  Anyway, a lot of people, 
(including me), don't use their real name or use a pseudo; So, another 
point is that you can't prove who wrote something.  

response 18 of 36:

Jun 12 17:53 UTC 1999

Thanks void, I'll check those out.