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krj
KRJ's meandering topics Mark Unseen   Aug 8 02:09 UTC 1999

I can't resist grabbing item #200 for my own vanity item.
A couple of years back, mziemba had a good run with a miscellaneous
item:32 , so I'll start a new rambling one.
131 responses total.
krj
response 1 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 02:18 UTC 1999

I still seem to be mired in some sort of musical menopause.
Leslie has been gone for six weeks in Austria, and I would have expected
to have filled the house with six weeks' worth of roof-shaking 
rock music, at a volume which is bad for my ears and which Leslie 
won't tolerate.  There's been some of that, mostly after I went out 
to buy a copy of the album WHO ARE YOU, but I find that I have mostly
been keeping the house silent.  Today I've been listening to WUOM 
on the radio, as I mentioned in the Grateful Dead item.
 
This is part of why it's been hard to come up with little tidbits
to keep the discussions here rolling along.
I haven't been listening to much.
orinoco
response 2 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 14:32 UTC 1999

I thought there was a Negativland item in here somewhere, since we've got a
few fans of theirs, but I can't find it anywhere, so... I stopped by the New
Improved Larger Record Exchange the other day (where Disc-go-round used to
be, before I left town for a few weeks and alien being moved all the stores
around), and I ran across "A big 10-8 place".  Um.  Well.  Er....uh...

It's interesting....


otaking
response 3 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 9 18:12 UTC 1999

I like the new Record Exchange. It always had a better selection that
Disc-Go-Round IMHO. Besides, where else can I find Altan and Hawkwind Cds for
a dollar?
lumen
response 4 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 19:07 UTC 1999

Well, I'm going to meander in a totally different direction.  I can't 
keep up with the gourmet music recordings you all seem to find; I have 
but MTV, public radio, and college radio to sate my cravings, and I am a 
poor music student :>

My current frustration is not having a classical guitar teacher.  I miss 
lessons horribly.  I studied with a colleague of mine who is a guitar 
major and incidentally, is from my hometown.  We had to be all hush-hush 
about it since the Music Dept. charges students to give private lessons 
in the music building; we were therefore doing lessons under the table.

It is also a temptation not to 'upgrade' my guitar again.  Brazilian 
rosewood for the back and sides is preferred for its exquisite sound, 
however, mine is made simply of walnut.  You may recall if you read 
Spring Agora that I visited Herb David's and had a chance to play a 
Ramirez, a line of guitars named for one of the most fabled family of 
luthiers in Spain.  The 2A model I handled played very easily; I 
marveled at how they could get the action so low without the strings 
buzzing on the frets.

Of course, I have lovely resources where I can get high quality strings 
wholesale (much cheaper than retail), but it would be a better idea if I 
started practicing much more and started playing better.

Poverty sucks.
gnat
response 5 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 23:20 UTC 1999

I've started thinking about getting an electric guitar, and I can't
even play my acoustic one yet.  I got it at Guitar World (who are
evil, underhanded jerks, but that's another story), and so I've
gotten on their mailing list, and they keep sending me guitar
catalogues, which are sort of like porn magazines for guitar players.
I really like the Danelectro with the vintage-y black and white
design, but I must resist, and spend the money on lessons instead.
gnat
response 6 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 03:19 UTC 1999

Sorry, that should be Guitar Center, not Guitar World.  Same
difference - they're still assholes.
koneko
response 7 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 04:11 UTC 1999

I am being directed by my nose to this conf by Krj, so here goes.  I love
listening to music, preferably alternative, but I love oldies as well.  I
am learning to play the 'lectric guitar, as my boyfriend taught himself and
thinks I might be somewhat good at it.  I am learning on a generic Yamaha
21 fret baby blue honey.  I drool over Flying V's, and I am puzled by two
strings.
        And just to add, I think almost every music store in my little burg
is sexist.  Just cause I'm a girl, I am also brainless...is this prevalent
in all places?
goose
response 8 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 15:49 UTC 1999

That's the factory where they make the sex chemicals.....
There's no other possibility!
gnat
response 9 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 16:24 UTC 1999

*Girls* don't play *guitars*.  Duh!  Girls, like, sing and stuff.
Pr they play the piano and look pretty.
lumen
response 10 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 19:15 UTC 1999

I wish that particular stereotype would end.

This whole bullshit notion that girls play the piano started back in the 
Classical and Romantic eras, when upper middle and high class women were 
expected to learn to play the piano as part of social and cultural 
training.  However, they were never expected to play really well; all 
the musical composers were men.  Thus, Mozart wrote fairly simple 
cadenzas that his younger, less experienced female students could 
handle, while he would improvise much flashier and technically brilliant 
ones.

But incidentally, this same social training of women bore out for the 
classical guitar as well.  Many of these same women could be taught to 
play it for social affairs, although this occured much earlier, in the 
Baroque period.  The Anna Magdelena handbook was arranged and compiled 
by J.S. Bach as a method book, a method book for his wife (Anna) to play 
the four-course guitar.  The works are considered masterpieces for the 
beginning guitarist.  (I can almost guarantee that most everyone has at 
least heard the Minuet in G; it's played by almost every piano student, 
and it was arranged as a pop song in the '60s.)  Piano students 
frequently play these pieces, but I have played them both for piano and 
guitar, and I can say confidently they are written more with the guitar 
in mind.

I think the idea of women playing these early guitars never held on for 
long-- I can't remember documentation indicating they played much past 
the Baroque era.  The piano was much more popular.  But, for that 
matter, the guitar was not considered a serious concert instrument until 
the 20th century, thanks to the tireless work of the late Spaniard 
Andres Segovia.

Guitars were considered for the longest time to be an instrument of the 
tavern musicians, and the heritage still plays true for the steel-string 
players, both acoustic and electric, although the acoustical player is 
more likely to be playing the coffee shops these days.  The flamenco 
version of the guitar was considered the most serious of the acoustics 
for the longest time, thanks to the long Inquisition in Spain =P (so the 
guitar was mainly a folk instrument played as accompaniment to folk 
dancing).

Anyway, I'm babbling.  I suppose you should just say that if you don't 
get better service, you're going to get Lita Ford to come over and kick 
their asses.  (Who knows.. she might do it or send them a nasty reply 
about how girls CAN play electrics).  By the by, Natalie, girls do play 
guitars-- they are just all assumed to be folkies playing steel-string 
acoustics.  Sheesh.  Where the hell did the girl rockers in the biz go?

Also, a lot of rocker and metal guys in the biz are sexist.  I think it 
was Lita Ford who said a member of Lynard Skynard or some other group 
said, "You play guitar pretty good..for a woman."  Her reply?  "Yeah, 
you play guitar pretty good too..for a chimpanzee."
mcnally
response 11 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 21:28 UTC 1999

  My advice is that rather than guitar, you take up the tuba. 

  It might not be the most socially impressive of instruments, but
  after marching around with one for a while you'll be in good shape.
  Then, when someone says something stupid really moronic, such as
  "girls aren't supposed to play the tuba" you can knock them down
  and empty your spit valves on them.  (tubas *do* have spit valves,
  don't they?)
gnat
response 12 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 00:38 UTC 1999

I was being sarcastic... :)

I think that, since the era of the guitar hero was ushered in by
Hendrix et al., that electric guitars are associated with... er,
how shall I put this?  Male masturbatory-type activity.  The guitar
becomes an extension of the Rawk Gawd's sexuality, is used to attract
groupies, etc.  (Read "The Real Frank Zappa Book" for some of Frank's
commentary on this phenomenon.)

Also, technical prowess in general is associated with men.  Most
cooks are women, but most CHEFS (i.e., gourmet and professional)
are men.

Anyway, the first time I managed to get a strap onto my guitar,
strapped it on and gave myself the obligatory once-over in the mirror,
I thought, "God!  I look like a demure girl folk singer!"  Which
is kind of strange, since my entire repertoire consists of Robyn
Hitchcock and Neutral Milk Hotel songs.

I'm babbling, aren't I?
goose
response 13 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 15:42 UTC 1999

Mmmmmmm...Neutral Milk Hotel.

BTW, I also reccommend the Real Frank Zappa Book.  It's a quick, and highly
entertaining read.
gnat
response 14 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 16:24 UTC 1999

I've actually decided to sell my guitar and take up the singing saw.
Then *nobody* will mess with me 'cos I'm a girl!
mcnally
response 15 of 131: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 20:56 UTC 1999

  Definitely.  You might threaten to play them a solo..
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