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Grex > Coop > #336: The TSTY agenda for Grex Board, 2013 | |
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tsty
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The TSTY agenda for Grex Board, 2013
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Jan 27 03:38 UTC 2013 |
Grex cannot be allowed to disappear or be subsumed into a 'foreign' culture
anymore than m-net can be allowed to disappear or be subsumed into a 'foreign'
culture.
Grex has, can, and will stand on its own cpu as it has in the past ... with
incremental improvements.
I will NEVER assist or approve of plunging an ax or axes into the heart of
Grex, Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
Yes, I have a mixed history with some of the personalities on Grex since that
first Island Park meeting when I was riding motorcycles and answering phns
at 764-HELP. But those were personality snits, not system survival
situations. Rise above the snits, please.
I also have an UNvarnished history supporting Grex in every way I could. And
I have held lots of positions, including former board member.
Now it seems that that time had come again and I can do this again. Home is
where you create it. Grex is home to me and I am not alone.
I would appreciate your vote for keeping Grex going. No reason exists
(technically or financially) for just giving up and going away.
I do have an idea or two to offer at the first board meeting after the
election to expand our reach but this is not the time or place for them.
Keeping the system up is the first and foremost situation to resolve. I will
appreciate your vote to do so.
Tia -cheerrzz,ts 734,817,1982 tsty@cyberspace.org
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jep
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response 1 of 35:
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Jan 28 00:29 UTC 2013 |
TS, why isn't your campaign statement visible in the vote program?
This *is* the time and place to discuss what ideas you have to expand
Grex. I've based my campaign to merge M-Net and Grex on there being no
new ideas, and a declining user base. I think Grex is dissipating and
won't survive much longer on it's own. (So will M-Net.)
What do you have to stop that from happening? You could make me swap my
own vote if you have ideas that will turn things around and will be here
to make them work. I want Grex to survive, too.
I don't have any ideas like that myself. I'm running to make a merger
happen because I thought running and doing it was the only way it would
happen, and that a merger is the best way to keep the Grex conferences
around. I, personally, will lead Grex to make that happen if I can.
I'll do my best. My best is going to be pretty good if the users think
enough of me to vote me onto the Board.
Grex doesn't need someone saying, "I have ideas". It needs the ideas,
and someone to implement them. What can you do? What will you do, and
when? Once again, I'll support you myself if your ideas are better than
mine.
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tod
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Jan 28 02:26 UTC 2013 |
Why not hire a FB programmer to build an API from both systems?
Merging two dying systems does what exactly?
The few loyal folks on both systems wont let it die off.
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jep
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Jan 28 05:42 UTC 2013 |
You should probably ask that in my campaign item, Todd, since I think it
is addressed to me.
Maybe we'll wind up going to Facebook some day. I don't know. It's a
different environment than I had envisioned. It's probably different
than anything I would ever envision.
On second thought, maybe it'd be better if I let TS answer it since it's
in his campaign item. Sorry. I have no answer for that question.
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tsty
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response 4 of 35:
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Jan 29 00:16 UTC 2013 |
i have notified the right people about my avaialble statement while
recognizing that those people have other thgns to do and i expect tht it will
show up in good time.
in the meantine, i pposted it here asa separate item (some things you do
are well worth imitating) and posted the command pointer in agora.
and i followed the dirctions issued so it;s all good as far as i;m concerned.
frankly, jep, your statemnt scared teh shiet out of me!
so the FIRST ORDER of oour SURVIVAL is to ASSURE that independent survival.
without that, nothing else matters and THAT is exactly what >I< stand for,
first and foremost.
others may disagree as is their wish, it is NOT mine!
i also noticed that our election got posted on the m-b0x, understandably,
since -they- may not want us! so they would have someting to say about it.
i had to create a new login to post over there, but it worked.
and i noticed that kite returned with (exxentially) my position.
we three have known each other for (dare i saye it) DECADES and each of
us credits each other for 'stuff.'
but this 'stuff' about merger (even as a -thought-) goes far too far
beyond the pale. but you are entitled.
if it generates some progressive activities (on either system) then it;s
all for the better. but i coould not, ever, support a combination.
WE ARE SEPARATE AND unEQUAL AND BOTH SHOULD STAND INDEPENDENTLY.
[sort of sorry for the yelling]
ther is no technical nor financial pressure on grex nor on the m-b0x.
we are both indebted to tonster and cross and kentn (among others - not
leaving anyone out on purpose) for their persistance / assistance and
motivation(s).
let the election proceed apace and i want grex to remain independent.
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tsty
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response 5 of 35:
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Jan 29 00:17 UTC 2013 |
please see beyond the personality snits ... they don;t count in reality.
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jep
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response 6 of 35:
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Jan 29 03:03 UTC 2013 |
You and I are not running against one another, TS. We're just promoting
our ideas against each other's ideas. We're going to remain friends
regardless of this election. I hope I will have other friends here,
even amongst people who disagree with my viewpoint about merging with M-Net.
I meant what I said in resp:1. Your ideas are needed now. If they are
good, I will support them myself, and vote for you myself, and endorse
you for the Board. But for me to do that, you have to show the ideas.
And I have to think they will work. The time to debate them is now, so
the membership can decide about them now, and base their vote on them.
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cross
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Jan 29 19:24 UTC 2013 |
resp:4 Why? And what does it mean to "stand independently"? Would
it REALLY matter to any of the people who feel so passionately about
Grex and M-Net being separate from one another if they were hosted
on the same hardware?
What do you define as Grex? What do you define as M-Net?
Most of the people who seem to care care only about the BBS. If
the data files for two BBS's live on the same physical machine and
some group of people use one and others use the other, does it
REALLY matter? Would anyone even be able to tell the difference?
We could probably merge the systems today and no one would notice,
aside from seeing more people logged in.
As an aside: I don't support TS for the board. He doesn't do
anything as (assistant) treasurer now, so I have little faith that
he'll do anything on the board going forward. In fact, it was so
bad that someone who donated money to Grex actually complained to
PayPal to get their money back because they were never validated;
others have been keeping track of such things since.
Further, TS has proven himself difficult to work with. I don't see
his being elected as working out all that well. He'll try to
overreach and exert control over things he doesn't understand.
I don't think he's a bad guy; he'd probably be a lot of fun to have
a beer with, but I think that JEP would be better suited to being
a board member.
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tod
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Jan 29 21:43 UTC 2013 |
it REALLY matter to any of the people who feel so passionately about
Grex and M-Net being separate from one another if they were hosted
on the same hardware?
dude, STeve won't be able to blame crashes on RAM if you colocate ;)
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cross
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Jan 29 22:35 UTC 2013 |
Heh.
Steve hasn't been involved in the day-to-day maintenance of Grex in years.
He wasn't involved in the present hardware, and hasn't expressed any interest
in the new hardware that we've been slowly working on.
Similarly with Marcus Watts. Marcus hasn't even logged in in years; emails
to him go ignored.
I suppose both may consider themselves staff. Beats me. No one has "removed"
them in any real sense, but just the same, neither does anything.
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tod
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Jan 30 04:06 UTC 2013 |
I don't see why Cyberspace, Inc can't be dissolved and Grex absorbed
into Arbornet's fleet of online charitable offerings. Who's with me?
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jep
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Jan 30 05:47 UTC 2013 |
re resp:7: I'd like to see the ideas he mentioned, and his thoughts on
how he would implement them. I'd like to see anyone's ideas.
Dan, I appreciate your comments of support for my idea and for me as a
contributor to the Board. I'll do the best I can for Grex if I am elected.
I am just about solely concerned with conferencing. I don't pay a lot of
attention to other activity. I will become aware of it before pushing
for things that will affect it. Is there much activity by users other
than BBSers which would be affected by a merger? Do you have any
concerns about that?
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kentn
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Jan 31 03:36 UTC 2013 |
How about Arbnornet is dissolved & M-Net absorbed into Cyberspace, Inc.?
No reason why it can't go the other way as far as I know.
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jep
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Jan 31 04:50 UTC 2013 |
Okay. Go convince Arbornet to do that.
I came here, to Grex, because it's Grex's time for an election and so
that's where I started. It doesn't really matter to me where the effort
is started. I don't think it's going to be a quick thing anyway. While
I'd like it to happen in a few months, a year or two years seems more
realistic to me.
Over on M-Net, they are practically up in arms against the idea right
now. It doesn't bother me. I've made all the same points there that
I've made here. I can wait until they calm down and think things over,
then pitch it again.
I can also face failure in this election here on Grex. Merging is an
idea, a new idea at that. If people think it's a terrible idea, they'll
defeat it, and vote against me. I can pitch it here again, too. Maybe
if it doesn't fly now, it'll get easier after people think about it for
a year or two.
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rcurl
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Jan 31 05:53 UTC 2013 |
It could be just a bad idea....
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tod
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Jan 31 06:13 UTC 2013 |
re #12
How about Arbnornet is dissolved & M-Net absorbed into Cyberspace, Inc.?
No reason why it can't go the other way as far as I know.
Only if the Grex board promises to continue censoring items.
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