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Thoughts about candy and retailing Mark Unseen   Nov 21 04:16 UTC 2000

I don't eat very much candy.  Indeed, given the choice between, say, candy
versus chicken salad, or candy versus oatmeal-raisin cookies, or candy
versus another hour researching political history, candy is likely to lose
out.

However, candy does have its place, and on infrequent occasions I do buy
and eat some.  Over the last dozen or so years, those occasions have been
often enough that I have noticed a disturbing trend in American candy
selling.

The big name at the candy counter used to be Brach's.  Brach's is a bit
like AT&T before the breakup: big and stodgy but extremely reliable.  I
don't know much about candy history, but I'm guessing that Brach's
invented, or at least adopted many decades ago, the varieties of candy
which are commonly sold in stores. 

In an age when many of the old line brand names have been downgraded into
low-quality parodies of their former selves, like Maxwell House coffee,
Brach's has continued to provide a product of consistent high quality.  A
Brach's candy may not be the most exciting thing in the world, but it is
never disappointing. 

There is another brand of candy which you probably won't recognize unless
you frequent convenience stores: Sathers.  Sathers makes candies in all
the familiar Brach's varieties.  In store after store, rows of Sathers
packages have completely displaced Brach's. 

Sather's isn't priced any lower than Brach's, and package for package, it
LOOKS like identical stuff, but that is where the resemblance ends. 
Sathers apparently is made with ingredients of grossly poorer quality than
what Brach's uses.  A Sathers candy is always disappointing, and has that
awful chemical aftertaste.

Try buying a package of Brach's and a package of Sathers in some identical
style of candy, and comparison taste test them.  You will never buy any
Sathers again.

Given the lack of any significant price difference between Brach's and
Sathers, the profit margin on the latter must be tremendous.  That huge
profit margin must drive big rewards for retailers who agree to carry
Sathers. 

Some stores carry a few Brach's items along with Sathers, but only in
varieties which Sathers doesn't have.  Stores which carry a lot of candies
of a wide variety of brands don't seem to have any Sathers.  Those things
suggest to me that Sathers insists on an exclusive contract for every
style of candy they make. 

When a retailer carries Sathers, excluding other brands, it's a symptom of
systematic contempt for its customers.  Retailers with a more positive
attitude toward the clientele, like the Quality Dairy chain of convenience
stores around Lansing, do not have Sathers.

Contempt for customers -- coming to see the customer as the enemy -- is a
natural tendency in all retail trades, because after all, practically
every problem you have as a store is caused by customers.  Dealing with
the public is exhausting; too many of them are rude or ignorant or
demanding or all three; and short-term bottom-line considerations tend to
trump longer-range thinking.

Resisting this tendency, in any organization that lives by public contact,
takes constant attention and leadership from the top.  A few of the
retailers I have noticed which have succeeded in sustaining respect for
customers over many years: 

   - Meijer's
   - McDonald's restaurants
   - Hudson's department stores
   - Quality Dairy (already mentioned above)

A few other companies which seem to have gone in the opposite direction
all too often:

   - Rite Aid drug stores
   - Kroger's supermarkets
   - Burger King restaurants
   - Toyota car dealerships

Obviously I'm speaking mostly from my own limited experience, and in some
of those there may be huge variations from store to store or from region
to region.  For all I know, some of y'all may even reverse these two
lists.
81 responses total.
richard
response 1 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 05:48 UTC 2000

Another example of product sustaining respect for customer would be
Budweiser (Anheuser Busch)

There was a time when four brewing companies split the domesticbeer
market.  The big four were Budweiser (AnnheuserBusch), Pabst Blue Ribbon,
Miller High Life, and Schlitz.

In the 70's, Schlitz decided to cut costs by cutting back on the barley
malt in the recipe, and reducing the brewing time from forty days to
fifteen.  They thought the customers wouldnt notice.  They did.  The brand
took a nose dive, and by the time they returned to brewing Schlitz by the
usual standards, the customer bond was gone.  Today Schlitz is a minor
brand in the non-premium market.

Pabst and Miller both made similar mistakes in their marketing.  Both
brought out different lines of products which cannibalized their own
products.  Pabst brewery closed and Miller was bailed out by Philip
Morris.

Which left Annheuser-Busch, Budweiser and the clydesdales-- they never
changed the look or packaging or formula of their flagship product.  The
bond with the customer wasnt broken.  And the result-- no more big four.
More Bud is sold than Miller, Pabst, and Schlitz combined.  It is a
true lesson in marketing.



senna
response 2 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 06:05 UTC 2000

Meijer sells lots of Brach's, or so my listings tell me.  I had never heard
of Sather's.  Candy is not my thing.  

I'd appreciate hearing where people find Meijer to emphasize customers more
than other retailers, since I, obviously, have no impartial perspective
whatsoever.  Heck, I'm not even privy to everything in my own store.  

What is clear is that quality is no longer the major selling point for most
merchandise;  image takes the cake.  Brand equity is gold.  Politics, sports,
food, everything sells it.  
birdy
response 3 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 06:11 UTC 2000

Brach's gives me happy memories of childhood.  My dad would buy that stuff
in bulk every other Friday.  We always got the maple things (I called them
Barbie hats since they're that small and the shape of an old man's cap) and
those pink/white/brown coconut things.
bru
response 4 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 14:15 UTC 2000

WEll, I would have to disagree with one of your statements, the natural
tendency to see the customer as the enemy.   As a clerk, you might end up with
a we vs them attitude, but for a company to survive adn flourish, it needs
to see the customer as their freind.

As to why slathers is selling over brachs, I would think it was a more
aggressive approach to selling to the retailer.  Why does hershey's sell more
chocolate than godiva?  Is their product better?  No!  But they know how to
aggressivly sell the product on a continuous basis.  Perhaps brachs is resting
on their laurels and finding their market disappearing slowly, or more likely,
not expanding at the rate tehy could expect if they maintained an aggressive
sales posture.

Many retailers go thru cycles like this.  They aggressivly promote in an area
till they get a constituancy built up, then they turnm the advertising to
other markets and let the established stores fend for themselves.  When sales
begin to slump because otehr marketers have turned aggressive in their
established markets and are taking away their customer base, they have to
retool (so to speak) and go back into the area and market aggressivly all over
again.

As to candy, Does anyone know where to find the chewy nougat candys they used
to make with the jellied candy pieces inside them?  They were white
rectangular shaped with colored jelly showing thru?

Can't find them anywhere!

in some cases, the marketing has changed.  Ever try finding Blackjacks?  They
used to be a staple in every candy store in the world or so it seemed.  Now
I can find them only in specialty stores.  Same goes for rock candy and other
old fashioned candys.  They are still manufactured, but only specialty stores
carry them.
aaron
response 5 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 15:16 UTC 2000

The problem arises, Bruce, when management does not effectively overcome
the clerks' "us versus them" attitudes.

While there are some uniquely American candies, such as circus peanuts,
lamenting the decline in quality of American candy hints that one has never
sampled "the good stuff." I sense that the nougat candies that Bruce has a
hard time finding are not the rice paper wrapped candies produced by
Callard & Bowsers, for example. Yet compared to the Callard & Bowsers
product, the American variety is... plastic-wrapped plastic.  U.S. licorice
doesn't compare well to Wilkinson/Bassett, in no small part because most of
it isn't even licorice. (Most American licorice is anise flavored, and at
best has a mere hint of Chinese licorice root, as opposed to the more
expensive European variety.)

There are some candies that are peculiarly British, like salt licorice,
Bournville chocolate (dark chocolate which is *very* sweet), and... I can't
recall the brand, but what can only be described as a peppermint bar -
composed almost entirely of sugar and peppermint extract - kind of like an
"Altoid" bar, but with a softer consistency. And let's not forget treacle. 
But those which inspired an equivalent "across the pond"  have typically
been presented to American consumers as a pale imitation.
scott
response 6 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 15:44 UTC 2000

The first step in "more agressive" marketing is to cut costs.  

As for beer... even Budweiser is a pale shadow of what beer used to be in this
country.  There used to be lots of local/regional breweries making good beer.
Really good beer!  The recent trend toward craft and microbrew beer has been
a good thing in my book.  But back to Bud... guess what it costs to make a
bottle of [insert national brand name here] beer?  Maybe 5 cents?  10?  I
dunno, but I've read that something like 33% of the price is distribution,
33% is advertising, and most of the rest is packaging.  Budweiser has done
as well as it has because they've generally had the best advertising (think
about all those famous/funniest beer ads and then count how many were for
Budweiser).
rcurl
response 7 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 16:43 UTC 2000

I am impressed by how many know the names of more than one brand of candy.
I'd have been stuck to have come up with just one with some time to think.
danr
response 8 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 17:06 UTC 2000

One thing not mentioned above is how much (or how little, actually) the taste
matters to people. If the cheap stuff sells, it's either because people just
can't taste the difference between the cheap stuff and the good stuff, or
doesn't value the good stuff enough to pay extra for it. In other words,
manufacturers get away with cheapening their product because the customers let
them get away with it.
tpryan
response 9 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 17:21 UTC 2000

        You want a Walnetto?
aaron
response 10 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 17:29 UTC 2000

(I should add, with regard to Callard & Bowsers, that the evil Kraft Foods
empire bought them a number of years ago, and decided that there wasn't enough
profit in making their nougat.)

I like good food. I can name several brands of mustard, for example. I can
name several different manufacturers of wine, and am willing to bet that
most here can also think of several. I rarely drink beer, but I can think
of dozens of brands. (The joy of heavy advertising, I suppose - I can also
name numerous brands of cigarettes, even though I don't smoke.) I can even
name different manufacturers of Ramen.  I can only think of one
manufacturer of custard powder, though - Bird's. 

It is a bit hard for people to know what they're missing, if they never
have an opportunity to try the good stuff. It also seems that most people
are pretty limited in their culinary exploration, and thus never even try
the good stuff. I can't imagine eating Spam and Velveeta sandwiches on
Wonder Bread, but I know somebody who lived on those "foods" during
undergrad.

danr's point about marketing shouldn't be overlooked. Hershey Foods thought
it had an insurmountable lead in the chocolate market, so it didn't pay
much attention when Mars started blanketing North America with ads. By the
time Hershey caught on, it was playing catch-up. Brand name dilution can
also hurt product sales - as Kraft Foods learned when it decided it could
leverage its brand name from cheese into a wide range of grocery items.
jep
response 11 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 18:22 UTC 2000

For years, most of my life, I had a Pepsi habit.  When I got married, my 
wife preferred Diet Coke; after a few years I switched to Diet Coke as 
well.  It was more convenient than having two kinds of cola in the 
refrigerator at home.  Also my employer at the time had free pop for 
employees, and I was uncomfortable with the thought of 4-5 cans of Pepsi 
per day, or even more.  I was fat enough without adding that, so I drank 
Diet Coke instead.

This summer, I experimented with giving up Diet Coke, too.  I was 
drinking 4-5 cans per day, and I just decided to try drinking water for 
a week.  That week stretched to two, then three, and now I don't miss 
the caffeine and saccharine at all.  I now drink about 1 can of Diet 
Coke per week.  My habit was all marketing.  What a rotten reason to do 
anything; because someone advertises it to you.
bru
response 12 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 00:04 UTC 2000

I wish my Pepsi habit had been all marketing!  It took four days in the
hospital with NO fluids to break my addiction.  Gareth is activly trying to
break his addiction now, and Anderyn has basically given up trying to break
the habit.

Callard and Bowsers were wonderful many years aga, an are still better than
many US candies today.
ea
response 13 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 00:15 UTC 2000

Some candy is different in the UK than in the US even though it's
marketed under the same brand name.  For example: Cadbury Chocolate in
the UK is much better than the same product sold in the US.  (I think
part of the reason is that Cadbury is a UK company, and their US
sales/production are licensed to Nestle USA rather than being produced
directly by Cadbury)
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