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mta
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Fit and Fat
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Sep 4 22:22 UTC 1998 |
After perusing this conference for a while, I can't help but be astonished
and dismayed at the amount of "diet" and "weight-loss" talk.
I feel the need to point out, current cultural obsessions aside, that it *is*
possible to be fit and healthy and also fat.
As a matter of fact, some research (squelched by the mainstream media and the
medical community to a large extent, but out there if you look) suggests that
the reason that in spite of 15 years and more of a cultural obsession with
diets and working out, the average weight of a citizen in the US is rising
is indde *because* of that obsession.
I won't say that I'm fit right at the moment -- I lost most of my fitness
after my thyroid went on strike in 1991 and am just beginning to get my muscle
tone and stamina back after being on synthroid for 15 months -- but I *have*
been both fit and fat. I could and did walk 17 miles a day because I didn't
have a drivers license or access to a car. I never got thin.
I want to get my fitness back -- I loved it! But I don't particularly care
whether I lose weight or gain it in the process.
Some of my methods? I walk. I dance. I skip and twirl and wriggle just
ebcause it feels good! I occasionally swim. It's going to take a while
because I refuse to do anything that's boring. Life is too short for that
-- so no aerobics classes or weightlifting regimines for me.
So, what kind of movement do other folks do just because it's fun?
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scott
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Sep 5 11:30 UTC 1998 |
I do karate, which is *very* interesting mentally as well as a good workout.
I also bike a fair amount, which was stopped for a while because of my goofed
shoulder, but now restarted with a recumbent bike.
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keesan
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Sep 5 13:20 UTC 1998 |
We bike as transportation, not as fun, but it is enjoyable. We bike 3-5 miles
a day normally and longer if visiting or shopping. Do you have a bike?
We also enjoy gardening and housebuilding, which is exercise, and hanging up
the laundry is good stretching I suppose.
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mta
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Sep 5 13:39 UTC 1998 |
Nope, I don't have a bike -- Larry bought me one for my birthday a few years
ago and it was stolen from my son before I'd ridden it more than twice.
Actually, I prefer walking to bikes. I like the feel of the earth under my
feet a little too much, I guess. ;)
I've heard that Tai Chi is a very interesting art form and not too difficul\t
in the early stages of learning. (Difficult to get really right, but doable
even for the rank novice is what I've understood...)
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rickyb
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Sep 5 15:56 UTC 1998 |
Tai Chi is a bit like slow motion karate. It can be very helpful both as
exercise and relaxation (mind and body).
There was a recent study done of a few thousand people who actually lost
weight (>20lbs I think was the criteria) and kept it off for more than a year.
In some cases, 2-5 years.
The study found that the vast majority of these people did _not_ diet, or make
any real special effort to lose weight. Instead, they either deliberatly or
otherwise just happened to change their life habits. some increased
activities, some reduced eating (volume, not fat/calories/etc), and the like.
most found that after some time, they just didn't eat unless they were
actually hungry (get away from the dinner clock), but that they _always_ ate
something when they were hungry. Result, frequent, small meals instead of
2-3 big ones ("grazing"?).
none cut out the favorites like candy, cakes, cookies, booze, etc. They just
cut down on the amounts. That way they never really felt they were depriving
themselves and the weight just fell off.
I had a similar experience ove the last 1.5 years or so. Without any
conscious effort, I now find I eat a bit less at meals (and I _love_ to eat!)
and I discovered I lost >10lbs. A few weeks ago I got a bit of gastritis and
didn't want to eat at all for awhile and another 8lbs fell off, 5 of which
I put right back on when I felt better, but I'm trying to avoid letting those
last 3 creep up. If I can lose 5-10lbs _per year_ for the next couple of
years I'll be more than happy.
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beeswing
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Sep 5 17:34 UTC 1998 |
Misti I feel your pain. :o
I am 26, 5'9" and ain't telling how much I weigh. But I am a sie 12/14.
I am not "huge" but am not skinny either.I like walking, biking and
weights. I am not too keen on aerobics. I have been a "big girl" my
whole life pretty much. I was my thinnest in 9th grade, when puberty
kicked in with a vengeance and everything kinda shifted, shall we say.
I was a size 10, but was 5'6" at the time. I still thought I was fat!
Well I tried eating better foods. I exercised 4x a week. Ate only when
I was hungry or to stave off a crash (I am hypoglycemic). I lost 6
pounds relatively quickly. Like in 2 weeks.
That was months ago, and I am totally stuck. My body doesn't seem to
want to let go of any fat in its cells. I am so discouraged!
I don't want to be skinny. A size 10 would be ok with me. I wouldn't
want to be lower than an 8. I'm pretty muscular for a girl and that's
ok. Having a little more fat than I need is restrictive to me, and
besides it will only be harder to lose as I get older, especially if I
have kids. There are some clothes I don't get because they are not as
flattering on me than on a person who is thinner. This annoys me. And
though no one would call me obese to look at me, according to the
charts, I am. That bothers me.
But it is so frustrating to do all the right things and then nothing
happens. Or i even gain! What's going on? I can accept myself but it's
hard knowing I could be so much better.
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keesan
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Sep 5 22:24 UTC 1998 |
Jim knows someone who lost a lot of weight by going vegetarian (he says).
Misti, would you like a bike? If you bike instead of driving you will
automatically get lots of exercise. Walking is simply not fast enough to
substitute for driving long distances.
We are still trying to gain weight. Peanut butter and olive oil are
about the only two high-calorie vegan possibilities (sesame oil is rather
strong tasting but okay on salads).
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scott
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Sep 5 23:03 UTC 1998 |
Beeswing, I've seen an actual aerobics instructor who was a bit heavy...
obviously she was getting plenty of exercise, it just seems to be the way
people are built differently.
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beeswing
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response 8 of 61:
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Sep 6 05:59 UTC 1998 |
She may have been muscular, like me. I got the quads from hell.
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Sep 6 13:14 UTC 1998 |
The weight-loss industry & some of the simplistic elements of American
culture want everyone to believe that the way to look "right" is to
believe in a televangelist or Santa. Just believe and either cough up
loads of $$$ or "be good", and the looks that they idolize will appear
magically under the christmas tree.
This works really well them - they get to look down their noses at most
of humanity while counting their take. It doesn't work so well for their
victims.
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mta
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Sep 6 15:23 UTC 1998 |
Amen!
Bees, there's no pain in it for me. I'm 5'3", 200 pounds, and 30 years old.
I'm fat. I've always been fatter than average and always will be. When I
was young that was a source of a lot of pain to me, but aftre a point I
realized that in putting so much effort into trying to be something I wasn't
and couldn't be (thin) I was destroying my life and making myself miserable.
I started looking into the research that everyone touted about why being too
fat is supposed to be so bad and what I discovered was that all the research
in the last 30 years or so has been done by the weight loss industry and was
performed using very poor statistical method. What the research actually
seems to prove is that people with a poor diet and a low or negligible
exercise and gfitness rate are far more prone to ill health and early death
than people who eat well and exercise regularly. The problem is the
assumption is made that only fat people eat poorly and lead sedentary lives.
When weight *and* lifestyle are taken into account, they findings suggest that
really fir people of all sizes stay healthy and that potato chip and candy
munching couch potatoes are prone to chronic ill health and early death.
Did you know that fat actually protects people from certain diseases? That's
not a widely diseminated piece of information but it's true. Among the
protections that fat offers: fat women are far less likely to develop
osteoporosis. Fat people who get cancer or tuberculosis are far more likely
to recover and go on to live healthy lives. There are others, but I'd have
to look them up.
Did you know that the new BMI standards the government just released have had
the result of making m*most* atheletes "too fat"? Come on! Atheletes are
among the fittest people in this country! Since when has the US Government
been in the role of making public pronouncements on fashion?? Geez!
You say you could be "so much better" -- why does taking up less apace in the
world make you better, bees? Because the women's magazines all say so?
Because certain patriarchal types will be less threatened by you? Fie! I
say!
Obviously you take good care of yourself. I'm willing to bet that your
ancestors were not small people. Try to consider your glorious (and tiny by
my standards) figure a gift from your family and find all the reasons it's
lovable. Beating yourself up over what you can't change won't make a lick
of difference in your genetic heritage but it will waste your youth.
By the way, should anyone think I'm just being defensive because I don't want
to "do the work" necessary to lose weight, fo the record I've gone from 300
pounds and a size 30 to 200 pounds and a size 16/18 in the last 15 months.
I don't consider it a reason for "congratulations". Excess insulin
circulating in your blood - as happens with an uncontrolled type II diabetic
in the years before the pancreas quites completely tends to pack on the fat,
as does uncontrolled hypothyroid. When those difficulties were diagnosed and
fixed, the extra weight just sort of melted. Now I'm probably at the weight
my genetic have determined for me and I'm quite content. I still think the
weight loss industry is the most dangerous fraud ever perpetuated on this
culture.
Sindi, thanks but no, I don't want a bike. My drive to work takes 20 minutes
by car and I'm a professional who has to look put together when I arrive at
work. Biking would make me sweaty and rumpled -- not very professional.
Besides, I *like* to walk,I hate biking. So I'll stick with my feet or my
car.
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