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krj
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Stereo Hardware Toys
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Jan 11 20:59 UTC 2000 |
I need to buy one, and possibly two, portable CD players: for use in
the car, the office, and for wearing around the house. I had two, but
one has been misplaced in the house and the other just had a hinge
break on its lid.
These are both Sony units, 3 and 4 years old, and two things i liked
about them were the illuminated keys (essential for night driving, I
think) and the digital signal processing feature. The DSP included
a compression setting, which was ideal for compressing classical
music's dynamic range for the car environment.
The market has changed, and the features I want are generally no longer
available. The DSP compression feature seems to have completely
disappeared, and I can only find one Sony -- probably an older model
-- with illuminated keys.
I suppose I should be cheerful that the price has dropped about 50%
since the last time I bought a portable CD player.
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scott
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response 1 of 53:
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Jan 11 22:23 UTC 2000 |
My MiniDisc recorder has a little remote unit, which is a much more common
accessory in Japan than it is in the States. My CD player (another portable
Sony) has a jack for a similar remote. The remotes geneally have a little
backlit dispaly, and the controls (while not being lit themselves) are very
easy to operate by feel.
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mcnally
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response 2 of 53:
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Jan 11 22:55 UTC 2000 |
Have you considered just getting a CD player for the car? You listen
to enough music and drive enough that I think it'd be well worth it,
especially since prices have gotten pretty reasonable..
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anderyn
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response 3 of 53:
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Jan 12 01:09 UTC 2000 |
My minidisc (also Sony) has a remote, too. I like it. But, I don't know,
most of the CD players I've seen haven't had illuminated keys, and I've
never checked into the compression feature.
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keesan
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response 4 of 53:
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Jan 12 06:27 UTC 2000 |
Says Jim: Boy, some people really have problems.
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krj
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response 5 of 53:
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Jan 12 06:39 UTC 2000 |
I have thought about an in-dash CD player for the car.
There are two problems. The first is that I still dabble in
cassettes. The second is that the office parking ramp is the
Car Stereo Thieves' Shopping Mart, so I don't want to put anything
fancier than a factory stereo in the car.
The built-in car stereo CD players don't seem to have the DSP compression
circuit for classical music either, at least not the last time I looked
at a Crutchfield catalog.
I could give Jim my other problem to chuckle over. At home, our main stereo
speakers are the old DCM Time Windows, the original model from around
1980. They look like cat scratching posts, and our new kitten Tristan
is probably going to finish destroying them. DCM, originally an Ann
Arbor company, was bought by another firm in the Southwest in the
summer of 1999, so I'm skeptical that I'll have any luck in replacing
these.
And the next other problem: it seems likely the capacitors are shot
in the 1983-vintage receiver. I'd talked with Accutronics about
having the capacitors replaced, but while I was dawdling about it,
Accutronics -- our favorite electronics repair shop -- went out of
business.
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orinoco
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response 6 of 53:
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Jan 12 18:23 UTC 2000 |
What _is_ DSP compression?
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lumen
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response 7 of 53:
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Jan 12 18:30 UTC 2000 |
I was reading this and thinking it over a lot-- I used to subscribe to
_Sound & Vision_, a magazine that emerged from _Stereo Review_ and
_Audio Magazine_.
Dynamic range of speakers, reverb, and amplifier specifics were things
I noted as varying factors among those that listen to different kinds
of music in the home. Classical and jazz aficionados generally tend to
shy away from much bass extension in speakers since it's just out of
range of acoustical instruments. There was also a lot of debate over
amplifiers-- there used to be a lot of vacuum tube purists, especially
among those listeners.
Now, what I'm curious about is-- how does DSP work? I wasn't aware
that the dynamic range of classical music *had* to be compressed to
work well in the acoustic setting of a car. Really, most cars have
superb acoustics compared to the home setting. The stereotype of the
car audiophile is of a young male basshead, but really, the arrangement
is to be appreciated. Since I don't know DSP, I'm going to guess on
some things based on typical car acoustics.
I know most factory speakers are mid-range heavy, which I am guessing
may actually work in *favor* for classical music. Your implication
that the dynamic range needs to be compressed rather confuses me,
unless you're driving in a car that doesn't have high-end speakers,
which I kinda doubt. I remember a few Grexers who prefer to lower the
dynamic high range for most music in the car, but I had always assumed
that the car was otherwise an ideal acoustical environment.
Forgive me if I sound like a know-it-all-- I don't mean to. I don't
know the acoustical setup in your car, and I was curious, because there
might be alternate ways around it.
My car is an '87 Chevy Nova with a factory radio deck. That means no
CD unless I install an FM device to transmit CD output over an FM
channel, or install a CD player. I remember void saying that since the
high end of FM is limited, that effectively makes a natural cutoff as
well on CD output. I have treble and bass controls, which I generally
use pretty liberally since mid-range *is* heavy. Sometimes I boost the
treble a little more and lower the bass for the classical stations. I
would have even finer control over this if I had a car equalizer, but
it's not worth it. I have great deck speakers, but the front ones are
terrible and poorly acoustically placed (they're in a spot pointing
down).
I'm guessing DSP is nice because it maximizes what you do have in your
car for classical music. I also understand from previous posts that
theft has been a problem, so any other tweaking might be rather
expensive.
They got rid of the backup lights? That's too bad..
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scott
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response 8 of 53:
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Jan 12 20:18 UTC 2000 |
The music-to-road-noise ratio in a car is pretty bad. I've thought about
getting a compressor too.
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lumen
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response 9 of 53:
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Jan 13 00:24 UTC 2000 |
if it's music-to-road noise, then I might understand.
I know some car audiophiles will put material on the inside hood of a
car to reduce noise coming from the engine. This might be a pad, or a
spray on material that can also be put in other car areas to reduce
other noises. Often, they get electrical filters to reduce noise coming
from more powerful alternators (helping to drive a more powerful
system). Radio enthusiasts will use them too for certain types of
antennas and antenna boosters.
really, though, I want to know *what* exactly a DSP compressor is, and
where it is needed in comparison to these other things. There are so
many factors in working with car acoustics, really-- the design and
modeling of the car (because good luxury cars will close out external
noises); placement of speakers (kick panel, deck, door, rear-view mirror
clamp.. yes, the thing that meets the ceiling.., trunk or alternative
area-- under seat, spare tire area); and specs of the receiver (tape
deck, CD player, etc.)
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scott
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Jan 13 02:10 UTC 2000 |
Well, DSP stands for "Digital Signal Processing", which really doesn't mean
that much. It's a neat way to do various types of signal processing without
the dedicated analog circuits. Compression just makes the loud parts softer,
which means that you can turn the whole thing up and have the soft parts
louder.
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