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tod
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Unitary Executive or Co-President? Constitutional?
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Feb 17 22:56 UTC 2006 |
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney said Wednesday that an executive
order gives him the authority to declassify secret documents, but he would
not say whether he authorized an indicted former aide to release classified
information.
Cheney's former chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, told a grand jury he
was "authorized by his superiors" to disclose classified information from an
intelligence estimate on Iraq to reporters, the special prosecutor
investigating the 2003 leak of a CIA agent's identity told Libby's attorneys.
The prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, did not identify who those "superiors"
are.
In an interview Wednesday with Fox News, Cheney said the case was "nothing
I can talk about." But he said he had the authority to declassify material
under an executive order that "focuses first and foremost on the president,
but also includes the vice president."
He would not disclose whether he had exercised that authority, however.
Libby was indicted in October on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice
and making false statements to investigators probing the July 2003 exposure
of CIA agent Valerie Plame. Plame's husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph
Wilson, had just emerged as a critic of the pre-war intelligence underpinning
the invasion of Iraq when her identity was disclosed.
According to Fitzgerald, Libby met on July 8, 2003, with New York Times
reporter Judith Miller to give her information regarding the U.S. National
Intelligence Estimate on Iraq. The document included much of the information
used to justify the invasion of Iraq earlier that year.
But a legal source involved in the case tells CNN that Libby has never
suggested and did not testify that anyone in the administration -- including
Cheney -- authorized outing Plame.
Cheney declined to discuss the investigation but said he had "cooperated
fully" with the special prosecutor. And he suggested he may have to testify
in Libby's trial, now tentatively set for January 2007.
"Scooter is entitled to the presumption of innocence," the vice president
said. "He's a great guy. I've worked with him for a long time, have enormous
regard for him. I may well be called as a witness at some point in the case
and it's, therefore, inappropriate for me to comment on any facet of the
case."
Cheney's remarks came during an interview in which he accepted responsibility
for the weekend shooting of a companion during a south Texas quail hunt. (Full
story)
The wounded man, 78-year-old Harry Whittington, remained in intensive care
in a Corpus Christi hospital on Wednesday.
The incident's belated disclosure left the White House fending off questions
for three days and fueled renewed criticism of the vice president, with
Democrats calling it symbolic of an administration obsessed with secrecy.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/16/cheney.classified/
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mcnally
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response 1 of 32:
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Feb 18 01:55 UTC 2006 |
Pardon me, but if he claims the power to reveal classified information
then how is he prohibited from answering questions about the case?
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tod
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response 2 of 32:
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Feb 18 05:33 UTC 2006 |
He's not prohibited. He just says "I'd rather not talk about that right now"
and the interviewing reporter says "Oh, okay. Sorry to impose."
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jep
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response 3 of 32:
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Feb 20 18:01 UTC 2006 |
Under which Constitution is Scooter Libby entitled to be presumed
innocent? Is it the one which covers "suspected terrorists" held at
Guantanamo Bay, and which allows the president to secretly order
wiretaps of American citizens, or another one?
I imagine the president delegates all handling, classification,
declassification, etc. of secure documents to someone. If so, why
shouldn't he be able to delegate via the vice president? This type of
delegation doesn't make the vice president a "co-president". The
president delegates authority to millions of people (the entire
military, for example) but they're not considered as "co-presidents".
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tod
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response 4 of 32:
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Feb 20 18:54 UTC 2006 |
re #3
Its not just being delegated. Its having authority over entire agencies
without any oversight by the President. Don't you see the problem with our
elected President not being in power of executive decisions?
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jep
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response 5 of 32:
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Feb 20 22:12 UTC 2006 |
re resp:4: I might... if you'll explain the distinction between this
situation and normal delegation of presidential powers.
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tod
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response 6 of 32:
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Feb 21 03:29 UTC 2006 |
re #5
You want me to explain how declassification of say....a NOC list of former
field agents for the CIA might be a problem? Don't act so naive.
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jep
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response 7 of 32:
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Feb 21 14:11 UTC 2006 |
No, I want to know what the distinction is between the president
assigning the power to review classifications for documents to the vice
president, and the president assigning power to others in his
government. Why aren't the Joint Chiefs of Staff "co-presidents"? Why
isn't the president's press secretary a "co-president"? Why aren't
these recipients of presidential delegated authority considered "co-
presidents", in your opinion, but the vice president is?
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tod
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response 8 of 32:
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Feb 21 17:29 UTC 2006 |
Executive Order 13292, issued by President Bush on March 25, 2003..
Throughout Executive Order 13292, there are changes to the original Clinton
order which, in effect, give the vice president the power of the president
in dealing with classified material. In the original Clinton executive order,
for example, there appeared the following passage:
Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only
by:
(1) the President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register...
In the Bush order, that section was changed to this (emphasis added):
Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only
by:
(1) the President and, in the performance of executive duties, the Vice
President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register...
In another part of the original Clinton order, there was a segment dealing
with who was authorized to delegate the authority to classify material. In
the Clinton order, the passage read:
(2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by
the President or by an agency head or official designated...
(3) "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be
delegated only by the President; an agency head or official designated...
In the Bush order, that segment was changed to read (emphasis added):
(2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by
the President; in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President;
or an agency head or official designated...
(3) "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be
delegated only by the President; in the performance of executive duties, the
Vice President; or an agency head or official designated...
Both executive orders contained extension sections defining the terms used
in the order. One of those terms was "original classification authority," that
is, who in the government has the power to classify documents. In the Clinton
order, the definition read:
"Original classification authority" means an individual authorized in writing,
either by the President, or by agency heads or other officials designated by
the President...
In the Bush executive order, the definition was changed to read (emphasis
added):
"Original classification authority" means an individual authorized in writing,
either by the President, the Vice President in the performance of executive
duties, or by agency heads or other officials designated by the President...
In the last several years, there has been much talk about the powerful role
Dick Cheney plays in the Bush White House. Some of that talk has been based
on anecdotal evidence, and some on entirely fanciful speculation.
**Executive Order 13292 is real evidence of real power in the vice president's
office. Since the beginning of the administration, Dick Cheney has favored
measures allowing the executive branch to keep more things secret. And in
March of 2003, the president gave him the authority to do it.**
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jep
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Feb 21 18:29 UTC 2006 |
Yes, the vice president has a lot of power in the Bush Administration,
but nothing you cited violates the Constitution or makes Cheney the "co-
president".
Cheney isn't a Dan Quayle type invisible VP, or a contender for the
presidency brought in to bring votes like Jack Kemp, Geraldine Ferraro
or Joseph Lieberman. He has more authority than Al Gore had.
He's either a very close advisor to the president, or the presidential
puppet master, depending on your politics. No one I've ever met has
the knowledge to say which, but many people strongly assert one or the
other. I assume this is because of what they want to believe.
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tod
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response 10 of 32:
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Feb 21 18:49 UTC 2006 |
re #9
nothing you cited violates the Constitution or makes Cheney the "co-
president"
(2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by
the President; in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President;
or an agency head or official designated...
Its right there in plain sight. Are you blind?
Let me give a lil historical narrative on why this was so important at the
time it was re-written by GW. He wanted to give Cheney the run of the mill
to cherry pick Iraqi intelligence for Powell to make his case to the UN.
You haven't forgotten Powell's show&tell magic show, have you? Remember, the
one where they took ice cream truck photos and said they were for uranium
enrichment?
You may not think "need to know" is important in classification but when we're
talking about "speciali interests" (Halliburton, anybody?) then I think it
is severely treasonous for our Commander in Chief to just leave his file
cabinet unlocked with Cheney sitting in the room all by himself.
Let's go back to simple Civics, m'kay?
Executive authority is given to the President by election(electoral college.)
That makes him the sole head of state. The role of this executive is:
-enforce the law
-conduct foreign relations
-command the armed forces
-appoint state officials, judges, diplomats
-administer gov't departments
-issue executive orders
Now, you want to know why can't Cheney ALSO perform executive function?
Well, then we would have a semi-presidential system(like France). In essence,
that would mean Cheney would have to be Prime Minister. Are you seeing the
problem yet?
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