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Grex > Jelly > #43: The Dodo Item -- evolutionary dead ends | |
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gull
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The Dodo Item -- evolutionary dead ends
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Sep 18 18:59 UTC 2006 |
This is the item for discussing systems that are historically
interesting, but were evolutionary dead ends -- they didn't lead
directly to modern computer architectures or operating systems. Often
these are quite fascinating because they represent different design
philosophies than those we're used to.
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gull
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response 1 of 12:
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Sep 18 19:03 UTC 2006 |
I've been working my way through a website by Jim Horning called "The
Way It Was: Tales from a life in computing." It's done in blog format,
but it's meant to be read serially, starting with the first item. It
details his experiences with early computers, in particular the Bendix
G-15. The G-15 was a physically small computer for the time -- about
refrigerator-sized -- and had some interesting features to reduce the
number of vacuum tubes required. All arithmetic was done bit-serially
on one-bit-wide buses, for example, using magnetic drum memory for
storage. The stories on the site make fascinating reading if you're
interested in this sort of thing.
http://horningtales.blogspot.com/2006/05/introduction.html
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arthurp
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response 2 of 12:
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Dec 19 08:08 UTC 2006 |
cadet
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mcnally
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response 3 of 12:
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Dec 19 17:31 UTC 2006 |
I still mourn the loss of Apollo's Domain/IX, a Unix-like operating
system that went head to head with SunOS in the mid-80s and got its
butt kicked. At the time I started at the University of Michigan
(1986) Apollo workstations were scattered among the computing labs
on the engineering campus.
I remember them as being non-standard (which is probably what killed
them) but way ahead of their time in many ways. Back in 1986 or '87
they had:
1) a completely transparent-to-the-user network filesystem.
2) filesystem acls
3) a distributed registry
4) an interesting and innovative integrated windowing environment
with powerful text editing and great keyboard support.
5) the ability to boot diskless and run from the network file
system (years before anyone had ever uttered the phrase
"thin client")
Most or all of these features (except the edit pads from the window
manager -- I miss those and the way editing was done through a standard
window-system widget available to every program) eventually showed up
in other operating systems, but not until 5, 10, or even 15 years later.
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cross
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response 4 of 12:
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Dec 21 00:08 UTC 2006 |
And universes for BSD and AT&T style Unixes!
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arthurp
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response 5 of 12:
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Dec 25 07:17 UTC 2006 |
I started out on those same Domain boxen in 89. I really loved those.
I almost bought one of the ones I did a lot of circuit design on when I
saw it at property dispo. It had been doing duty as a print spooler
after the rest of the lab was converted to Suns. Poor old "not". I
wonder what ever happened to it. Nothing good, I suppose. Oh, well. I
guess it's semi immortal as long as I remember it fondly. :~(
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albaugh
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response 6 of 12:
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Jan 4 17:36 UTC 2007 |
Perhaps not an O/S, but whatever happened to LISP? I loved all them CAR's
and CDR's... ;-)
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maus
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response 7 of 12:
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Jan 4 19:51 UTC 2007 |
Look up squeak
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twenex
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response 8 of 12:
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Jan 6 21:36 UTC 2007 |
Well, there were LISPmachines, whose hardware and OS were completely devoted
to supporting LISP.
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arthurp
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response 9 of 12:
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Jan 12 16:15 UTC 2007 |
I don't so much miss LISP, but that's because it didn't serve my niche.
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cross
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response 10 of 12:
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Sep 8 10:04 UTC 2010 |
Lisp is alive and well.
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papa
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response 11 of 12:
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May 14 23:00 UTC 2018 |
Now we call this item "retro-computing". Amazingly, a lot of these "dead ends"
can now be revived in simulators and a lot of the documentation has been
preserved on bitsavers.org and elsewhere. There are even a few of the old
systems running on lovingly restored original hardware (livingcomputers.org,
etc.).
This category includes every non-Unix-based proprietary OS other than Windows,
z/OS, and OpenVMS. And OpenVMS will be leaving the exceptions list soon.
In particular, DEC pre-VMS produced (DEC System-10, -20, RSTS, etc.) or
inspired (ITS, etc.) many systems whose influence is still significant today.
DEC made them all obsolete by fiat when they declared VMS to be the One True
OS.
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luser
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response 12 of 12:
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Jun 3 03:29 UTC 2018 |
May be the real dead ends are non-binary architectures.
http://ternary.info/
Will quantum computers ever promote binary hardware to retro?
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