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freek
Freekier... Mark Unseen   Feb 27 02:20 UTC 1997

Ok, since I am not a shit head like that one idiot who got guest killed, I
am first posting this in coop instead of telling a staff member... Ok, there
is this account called Freekier... I believe that this is an impersonation
of my PAYING MEMBER account... I request that this login be removed or reset
or whatever you do.  thank you.
43 responses total.
n8nxf
response 1 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 03:14 UTC 1997

Odd.  I only found one account called freekier.
babozita
response 2 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 14:33 UTC 1997

Klaus, I think freek was saying his freek account is being ridiculed by this
freekier account.
The "paying member" in caps bothers me. Is freek suggesting he deserves
special treatment because he donated?

If the account is being malicious, then it should be zotted. If it's just
being satirical, even if it's not tasteful or polite, then freek should learn
to buck up and deal with it.
ryan1
response 3 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 17:19 UTC 1997

Hey, I'm a paying member, and I am impersonated almost daily.  As 
I type, somebody by the login name of "rian1" is bugging me in party.  
And the finger information for "rian1" says that the name is "Ryan 
Antkowiak"  <sigh> this is like over 15 impersonations of me.
rcurl
response 4 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 19:58 UTC 1997

It could also all just be kids fooling around - like choosing freek, freeky,
freekier, freekiest, freekilly, etc. I see no harm in it, unless of course
anything malicious is done. 
babozita
response 5 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 21:05 UTC 1997

and Ryan certainly has more place complaining... unless ther are other kids
named Ryan taking those handles (in which case they'd be putting THEIR last
names in, not Ryan's). Freek is a colloquial spelling of a very common slang
word.
srw
response 6 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 28 00:33 UTC 1997

impersonation is generally not acceptable on grex. If someone (paying or not)
writes staff to complain that an account which claims to be theirs is not
actually their account, we will routinely restore the account to its
claimed ownership.
babozita
response 7 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 28 14:13 UTC 1997

What? Steve, ar you suggesting that freek's problem should be remedied because
he's a USER of grex, not because he's a PAYING MEMBER and should be treated
special? =} You radical you. =}
*g*
dang
response 8 of 43: Mark Unseen   Feb 28 16:27 UTC 1997

That said, it would appear that freekier, unless this has changed, isn't
impersonating freek.  In the cases I've seen, they had, for example, copied
the plan of the impersonated person word for word, so the identifying
onformation said that the account was owned by the person being impersonated.
This means that it can be reset so that person can get into it.
ajax
response 9 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 00:23 UTC 1997

Re 8, at least from fingering the accounts, I'd have to agree.  If freekier is 
a making a mockery of freek, I think it's an acceptable mockery in terms of
allowable use of Grex, since it doesn't use the same name (neither account
appears to use a real name).  I might be irritated (or amused) if an Ajaxier
were making fun of me, but wouldn't expect anything to be done about it by
staff, unless perhaps my name were used in the account. 
adbarr
response 10 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 00:26 UTC 1997

No one could immitate ajax for long.
babozita
response 11 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 00:46 UTC 1997

what about comet?
danr
response 12 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 01:36 UTC 1997

Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?  :)  just kidding.
valerie
response 13 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 06:25 UTC 1997

This response has been erased.

adbarr
response 14 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 18:33 UTC 1997

Popcorn? Popcorn no longer? No! Please say it is not true. My mail will
bounce, the sky will fall, the seas will dry up, the mountains will fall, 
Arbornet will be friendly! Lordy!
dang
response 15 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 18:57 UTC 1997

(Actually, your mail won't bounce.  There's a mail alias...  The rest tho.
 :)
freek
response 16 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 01:08 UTC 1997

well, the point was that you guys got all pissy over Guest, so  i decided to
see what would happen if i reported this person... really the account doesnt
bother me (although the real-life person does) and i did it to piss her off
<shrug> oh well.
adbarr
response 17 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 02:16 UTC 1997

And? The result is. . . . ? Why so contentious?
srw
response 18 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 12:30 UTC 1997

Well, perhaps now you see what happens. In cases of real impersonation, 
we respond quickly to complaints, in order to avoid doing real harm.

In the case of poking fun, we allow it, although sometimes people do 
feel hurt by it, because it falls in the realm of free expression.

The discriminator for me is issue of whether the posted information is 
deliberately misleading. In the case of the Guest account, it was 
deliberately made to appear to be an officially sanctioned Grex account. 
That is how scg took it - I know because he explained that in private 
mail written back when he took the action.
adbarr
response 19 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 18:32 UTC 1997

I will seek more explanation, off-line. Thanks for the help. Just dense.
ryan1
response 20 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 02:47 UTC 1997

I have a question reguarding the impersonation policy.  Can anything be 
done if a user claims to be me in party?  Recently, this has been said 
in party by a user named "crat":

crat:     what are you talking about ryan... you are me
crat:     but i am ryan1


Crat's finger information says nothing about me, however he claimed to 
be me in party.
ryan1
response 21 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 02:47 UTC 1997

I have a question reguarding the impersonation policy.  Can anything be 
done if a user claims to be me in party?  Recently, this has been said 
in party by a user named "crat":

crat:     what are you talking about ryan... you are me
crat:     but i am ryan1


Crat's finger information says nothing about me, however he claimed to 
be me in party.
scg
response 22 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 05:52 UTC 1997

crat actually sent mail to staff explaining that.  crat's name is apparrently
also Ryan.  He said he was trying to say, "I am ryan!" but that he missed the
shift key.
ryan1
response 23 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 15:12 UTC 1997

<ryan1 coughs "liar">
remmers
response 24 of 43: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 15:31 UTC 1997

People make silly off-hand remarks and play games in party all
the time. crat's remark sounds like typical party fare. Nothing
to make a federal case out of.
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