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olddraco
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Partyadm Abuses
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Jan 4 17:33 UTC 1997 |
I think the people who have been trusted with partyadm should be re-trained.
Ryan1 for example, thinks that he can censor party by removing anyone he
personally doesn't like.
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ryan1
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response 1 of 62:
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Jan 4 17:51 UTC 1997 |
Can you please be more specific? In party there is no way to "remove"
any user, or restrict them from participating. I personally "don't
like" olddraco, for example, but have I ever "censor party by
removing you?" Please, let's not bring our childish disagreements
into the bulletin board; especially not in this conference. It does
not belong here.
The only ways anybody could "kick somebody out of party" is to 1) SU to
root and kill the process or 2) since the party program is run as the
user "party", SU to the user "party" and kill the process. I have
access to neither of those options.
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jimj
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response 2 of 62:
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Jan 4 19:49 UTC 1997 |
Now, how exactly did Ryan "censor you by removing you?" The only ways
possible are by the means which Ryan said. Seeing he doesn't have
superuser/root privlages he can't do either. I know you two have
disagreements but this is a pretty lame attempt to get back at him.
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valerie
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response 3 of 62:
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Jan 4 20:01 UTC 1997 |
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ryan1
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response 4 of 62:
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Jan 4 20:10 UTC 1997 |
True, it is possible for me to do that, however I give you my personal
guarantee that I did not.
This shows that the chantab was last edited yesterday, when I was adding
channels for people:
-rw-rw-r-- 1 party partyadm 16494 Jan 3 22:40
/var/spool/party/chantab
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olddraco
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response 5 of 62:
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Jan 4 21:28 UTC 1997 |
Very very clever Ryan. You see he knows I wasn't talking about myself. We
are talking about Arjan. As anyone who wants to tail the party will see
Ryan and Ankh were up to something, that resulted in Arjan disappearing
more than once to their extreme satisfaction.
Very clever Ryan.
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ryan1
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response 6 of 62:
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Jan 4 23:16 UTC 1997 |
Alright, in that case, did "arjan" ever complain to you, or anybody that
somebody was killing his party process? What did "arjan" do to give you
the impression that he was being kicked out of party? He never said
anything in the channel about it, nor did he say anything to me.
Ankh and I were glad when he left because "arjan" was being extremely
rude to everybody, and was saying some very inappropriate sexual things.
I will not quote what he said, because it is very disgusting.
Basically you are accusing me of kicking somebody out of party
(even though it is not in my power) because a friend and I were glad
when an offensive user left party.
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ankh
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response 7 of 62:
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Jan 4 23:29 UTC 1997 |
we weren't actually upto anything, someone might have been giving him a talk
request or something, which made him exit party and respond to it. then
olddraco you might have noticed that, he came back on and started using the
vulgar language again.
i don't have a problem with arjun's freedom of speech. but do you think it
can be hurling abuses at others? if that is the idea of freedom, i think the
word is used in a very wrong sense here.
ah, and this happens to be my first entry on grex bbs, though i have been
using grex for quite a while. :)
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janc
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response 8 of 62:
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Jan 5 05:10 UTC 1997 |
Always pleased to see new people get involved in the bbs, though there are
more pleasant ways.
I'd really like to see some kind of description of what olddraco thinks
happened. Tossing vague charges at a person, and expecting him to know what
you mean (he must, after, he's guilty isn't he?) and defend himself against
his best guess of what you are charging him with just isn't kosher. That's
how you cloud a situation, not how you clarify it.
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aliz
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response 9 of 62:
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Jan 5 05:52 UTC 1997 |
I am not surprized that mr oldracco is accusing another one of my
children of a falsehood. Guess its ryan1's turn this time, last time
was angie's. It is hoped that most grexers will simply consider the
source and move forth... Perhaps oldracco would benefit best to work
out his hostility problems in life with a therapist, rather than
randomly attacking vunerable contented net users.
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steve
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response 10 of 62:
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Jan 5 06:09 UTC 1997 |
There are a myriad of reasons why someone might dissapear from
party. If the user in question was coming in over the net link,
there are even more possibilities.
I don't think that Ryan would do such a thing as kick someone
out of party "just because", but I also know that he doesn't have
the ability to do that technically, since he isn't a root.
If whoever got knocked off could talk here it would be most
helpful.
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olddraco
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response 11 of 62:
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Jan 5 17:55 UTC 1997 |
Oh come on. Unless he's tampered with what he and ankh were chatting about
in that partylog it would be obvious even to a 5 yr old. Alright. I wash
my hands of it. He and ankh can irc type flood/ping/netstat sites from
here all they want to in order to get someone off Grex. You all obviously
don't care what he does. And aliz. Your children aren't little angels.
Angie has a big mouth and puts 3 or 4 screens up to have just that many
people in party at the same time. With obscenities to boot. Ryan loves
to mess around on IRC. He even complained to scg about and IRCOp not having
the right to kick him off wherever Ryan was in IRC for his little troublesome
ways. No big deal to me. Just keep them away from me. I won't play the game.
I get even.
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steve
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response 12 of 62:
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Jan 5 18:05 UTC 1997 |
Mel, talk like "I get even" doesn't make sense in this context (or
anywhere, really).
Again, Ryan doesn't have the technical ability to become root. He
doesn't have the pw; it is possible to break into the system but there
are enough telltale signs that I think we'd know about it if it happened.
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ajax
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response 13 of 62:
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Jan 5 20:49 UTC 1997 |
I'd like more details too, but I think people are too dismissive of
even the possibility of Ryan kicking someone off. Ryan is a
resourceful and knowledgable user, and could no doubt think of ways
to do it if he wanted. There are many more ways than becoming root.
OldDraco alludes to one possibility, of doing an IP attack against
the system from which a person is connected. There are many attacks of
that nature, such as the recently popular Ping O' Death, that could
sever, or effectively sever, a user's connection to Grex.
There's still no evidence that Ryan did anything, and he should be
presumed innocent, but I'd still like to learn more about what OldDraco
is talking about. OldDraco, it would be helpful if you could post some
quotes from the party log that you think are incriminating. And as
STeve said, some input from the "victim" would be most helpful.
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scg
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response 14 of 62:
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Jan 5 22:23 UTC 1997 |
I know Ryan well enough to believe that even if Ryan could do this, it isn't
something he would do.
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popcorn
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response 15 of 62:
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Jan 6 20:50 UTC 1997 |
Here are some excerpts from last week's party log. I've cut out lots of
lines, but it's still long. It backs up Mel's claims. Ryan, why on earth
were you doing that stuff? I thought you were a lot more mature than that.
Geez.
---- arjun leaving (Jan 4 11:45)
---- diane1 leaving (Jan 4 11:45)
ryan1: DIRECT HITS
---- sjain leaving (Jan 4 11:45)
ryan1: another! whew, i'm on a roll today
aydin: selam
aydin: amerhba
aydin: merhaba
ryan1: aydin, dont piss me off
aydin: I AM TURK
ryan1: ;)
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ankh: why is this dork arjun abusing me?
ryan1: ankh, want me to terminate arjun?
ankh: yeah, that's much appreciated.
ryan1: lamer terminated
ryan1: heh, doesn't surprise me, arjun is a moron
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ankh: i am gonna write a program to watch out for lamers and kick them out
just as they login. ankh: i am gonna make their lives a bloody hell ryan1:
heh ankh :) ryan1: ankh, i think a "finger @cynberspace.org |egre
'lamer1|lamer2|etc' would work ---- olddraco joining (Jan 4 12:14) ryan1:
er egrep ---- lichte leaving (Jan 4 12:14) ryan1: and then run our little
program on the names that show up ---- mm joining (Jan 4 12:14) ankh: no,
finger is slow. i will do something analogous to watch. look out for dorks and
kill them before they know. mm: hi guys!!!!! ankh: it will run
locally. ryan1: er: finger @cyberspace.org |tail +1 |cut -c1-8 |egrep 'list
of lamers" > hitlist diane1: hi mm mm: hi diane1...:) ankh: they
need to be torn into pieces.. grr olddraco: fast way of being banned from here
guys diane1: so mm how are you to day mm: who are you guys talking
about...you sure sound friendly...??? thetick: ---- grimaldi joining (Jan 4
12:16) thetick: hey steve ankh: ryan, that moron is back again. no wait,
i will take care of him in sa moment or two. ryan1: ankh, i have a great
idea, but it cant be run locally grimaldi: hey jason diane1: yes friendly
and new hehe they had a guy arjun on giveing them a hard tim e ankh: let
me change the flash sources. aydin: ^X mm: oh!!! ryan1: ok ankh
olddraco: hi grimster aydin: diane1: mm so tell me about you aydin:
leave ---- arjun joining (Jan 4 12:17) olddraco: ankh and ryan1 have gone off
the deep end, they now think they run grex ryan1: ankh, you sure you want to
edit the source? i can terminate him right now if you like ryan1: no
olddraco, just keeping the peace... merly keeping the peace <mm:mm laughs>
grimaldi: hey mel ankh: mel, there is a limit to one's patience. i can't
take shit cfrom anyone nor do i give anyone. olddraco: you don't have the right
arjun: hi guys,arjun is here,no hard feelings (except teh one between my
legs) grimaldi: Waiter...Check please. thetick: hehe ankh: mel, as long
as i am spared i don't have a progrem. i will close my eyes. ankh: er,
problem even.. ryan1: see what we mean? ankh: i am gonna flash infinite
times now. olddraco: No ryan I don't. Neither will the board arjun: hi
ankh,kuutte ki aulad ankh: mel, do you understand what he is abusing me?
ryan1: ankh, that is a bit much olddraco: then put him on ignore. ryan1:
olddraco, . listen to arjun for 10 minutes, you'll see what I mean, he is an
arsholio mm: what is happening here.... aydin: leave arjun: hey
giuys is flashig on the computer your limit,I could teach you other kinds...
<grimaldi:grimaldi vaporizes in a puff of fuzzy logic> diane1: olddraco:
What have we here? Two little Hitlers? ---- grimaldi leaving (Jan 4 12:21)
ankh: shut your ass up, arjun. it stinks arjun: hey ryan,you got a cock
or is it blank there? ryan1: strike one ryan1: you are pushing it ----
job314 joining (Jan 4 12:22) diane1: 1tel mm thetick: hi job diane1: !^H
arjun: ankh i feel like slapping you so hard that you cum (sad ---- arjun
leaving (Jan 4 12:22) diane1: <olddraco:olddraco shakes his head knowing
they *have* gone off the deep end> mm: phew!!! ryan1: heh ankh ryan1:
arjun, that's strike 2 job314: hi diane one ryan1: oh well, he's outta
there ---- arjun joining (Jan 4 12:23) mm: not again job314: hi diane1
this is me agian! job314: arjun: ankh and ryan, you guys homos? arjun:
each other I mean ankh: yeah i am a homo sapien. which you are not.
arjun: you know , in bed One guys cock in the others asshole (which you both
are) job314: DIANE1 wake up it is me ryan1: strike three ---- arjun
leaving (Jan 4 12:24) ryan1: you're out ankh: arjun has a brain as
large as a peanut.
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ankh
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response 16 of 62:
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Jan 6 21:49 UTC 1997 |
i have a few things to sayi have a version of talk client, which which sends
vt100 sequences to talkd on target machine. all it does is send request 3
times and put the terminal in raw mode. since, escape sequences are stripped
off by grex talkd, there is no harm done on grex.
i used this program from my local server on mr.arjun so as to divert his
attention from the party. probably he was confused because talk request s will
be something like this <somejunk>@grex.cyberspace.org.....
and i was just btalking this at the heat of the moment,.
i am a busy programmer and i don't have time for writing such smalltime hacks,
probably if i were in school, i might have used my time and energy to do this
stuff.
and as far as i know, ryan didn't do anything.
hope this clarifies.
i haven't used any type of IP based attacking schemes. though i have worked
on firewalls and i know, how to get around a lot of things, as a resonsible
person, i wouldn't do that. :)
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albaugh
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response 17 of 62:
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Jan 6 21:54 UTC 1997 |
Besides being a person who can't decide if he's reasonable or responsible :-)
you're actually neither, no more than arjun.
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ankh
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response 18 of 62:
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Jan 6 22:40 UTC 1997 |
thanks for sharing, albaugh. :) *laugh*
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janc
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response 19 of 62:
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Jan 7 03:14 UTC 1997 |
arjun ttyp9 202.54.9.77 Sat Jan 4 12:34 - 13:10 (00:36)
arjun ttysd 202.54.9.77 Sat Jan 4 12:30 - 12:32 (00:02)
arjun ttyqa 202.54.9.77 Sat Jan 4 12:25 - 12:29 (00:04)
arjun ttys6 202.54.9.77 Sat Jan 4 12:23 - 12:24 (00:01)
arjun ttyre 202.54.9.77 Sat Jan 4 12:14 - 12:22 (00:07)
arjun ttyp3 202.54.9.77 Sat Jan 4 11:45 - 12:15 (00:30)
arjun ttyse 202.54.9.77 Sat Jan 4 11:36 - 11:45 (00:08)
It does appear that arjun was getting disconnected from Grex. I thought
we had set up Grex so flash attacks (this is an old hat, not anything clever)
wouldn't work. Maybe the flash attacks were done on the system he was
telnetting in from.
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jenna
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response 20 of 62:
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Jan 7 05:06 UTC 1997 |
But what about what ryan is recorded to have said at the beginning of
the except... it's so damning.
What the hell else could he have been talking about?
*sincerely curious*
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mdw
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response 21 of 62:
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Jan 7 12:12 UTC 1997 |
The stuff on grex to discourage flash attacks is still in place.
While flash doesn't "work" here, it *does* annoy the person who is using
the connection, until they type "!mesg n". It is very probable that
many people would find it difficult to type '!mesg n' if they were being
continuously "flashed".
I know the names of the two people who did in fact run continuous
"flash" runs, starting at Jan 4 11:37:58 and Jan 4 11:41:49. This is
only because they didn't do a very good job of hiding their identities.
If they had done a better job, I would have had to send a complaint off
to the ISP's in question, which would likely have resulted in the
yanking of their internet access, and could have additionally resulted
in criminal prosecution.
I trust that I will shortly see a public apology, from the two persons
concerned, *here*, and that I will *not* see any further signs of abuse.
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ankh
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response 22 of 62:
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Jan 7 15:25 UTC 1997 |
okay, if grex staff think that i owe an appology to them for this, i am ready
to do so. and i want this matter to be dropped then and there. but i won't
appologise to the user who was crude and very disgusting, because even when
i am doing this on bbs he is spamming me with messages like this
Telegram from arjun on ttyqb
at 10:18 ...
maaderchhod,tere bahen ki choot dega?
EOF (arjun)
Telegram from arjun on ttyqb at 10:19 ...
Fucking bastard,I take all my apologies at the party back,motherfucker
EOF (arjun)
now would the sysops be kind enough to tell me what i am supposed to do? i
promise that even if someone behaves rudely, my mouth will be shut. i know
that his tel messages are vulgar, but there's no other way to show the sysops
how badly he behaved the other day and even today. well....
(the tel messages were just grabbed into mouse and pasted back into bbs)
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valerie
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response 23 of 62:
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Jan 7 16:15 UTC 1997 |
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breeze
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response 24 of 62:
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Jan 7 16:24 UTC 1997 |
I know close to nothing about how the internet works. I get on Grex to chat
w/ friends. I only have a few things to say: First, I was very offended by
the things Arjun said each and every time he entered party. He said that he
was there to get all the girls pregnant and instead of asking m/f, he asked
cock or cunt. When he disappeared, I was happy. Could it be that Ankh and
Ryan were trying to act in the best interest of the other partiers--some who
were friends and others who were just present? I think it's pretty clear that
Arjun wasn't missed when he was booted or left or whatever. Arjun isn't a
nice guy. Rude doesn't describe him. He's filthy and obnoxious. He gets
a gold star for being the most disgusting person I"ve ever met online.
Perhaps it's b/c I don't go looking for it. Arjun is a victim? Yeah. And
Jeffery Dahmer was a victim when he mysteriously died in prison too. Thank
you Ryan and Ankh (the allegeds). I appreciate you looking out for me.
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