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Grex > Coop8 > #82: Dual Loggins, Keep them or Can them? | |
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lost2
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Dual Loggins, Keep them or Can them?
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Jul 2 14:33 UTC 1996 |
I am wondering about the possibility of grex getting a policy on people be
logged in twice. there have been several times lately that I can't get into
grex, and if it where just to many people I could understand but when some
people have logged in more than once, it is unfair to others. I think there
needs to be a policy so that if a staff member see's someone logged on twice
they can boot one of the loggins.
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rcurl
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response 1 of 45:
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Jul 2 14:47 UTC 1996 |
Have you checked on whether one of the logins may be an orphan? If you
get kicked off by line noise - or by making a mistake on your machine - your
login may stay resident. When users log in again soon, they may have two
logins.
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robh
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response 2 of 45:
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Jul 2 14:56 UTC 1996 |
That does happen sometimes, but more and more often I'm
finding people logged in twice with little or no idle time
on either one.
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rcurl
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response 3 of 45:
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Jul 2 15:04 UTC 1996 |
What are they doing?
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brighn
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response 4 of 45:
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Jul 2 15:13 UTC 1996 |
What is anyone doing here, Rane? GOofing off. =}
The problem, of course, is that it's so easy to make a second handle.
Jenna: jenna, shade, opium, darklass, nsmorgan... although now she's
just using jenna
Jesica: balance, llan, llanie, llanarth, seahorse...
Linda and Liz from Colorado have a half dozen apiece, as does Fuz.
I think it's fairly audacious of one person to be using the *same* login
multiple times, but if Grex cracks down on that, it just encourages
people to create multiple handles.
Now, if Grex had a similar policy of one user - one handle, we could
do something, but that policy would be MUCH harder to enforce.
How about sending Mail to people who are multiply logged (including
cases where multiple handles are the same person and staff *knows*
this), reminding them that it's impolite? Some of them might not
be aware that they're creating a problem.
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brighn
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response 5 of 45:
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Jul 2 15:16 UTC 1996 |
(incidentally, just for curiosity's sake, a ran !users... out of 63
users, only one handle appeared twice (other than newuser)... a !w
revealed an orphan -- one of the two logins had been online 22 minutes
and idle 21 minutes)
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popcorn
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response 6 of 45:
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Jul 2 15:46 UTC 1996 |
Actually, there are a few staffers who have been sending e-mail to people who
make a habit of being logged in more than once during peak times.
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kerouac
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response 7 of 45:
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Jul 2 18:56 UTC 1996 |
I dont think there should be any policy rgarding multiple logons....any such
would just cause folks to run newusr multiples of tims to get extra logins so
they can get extra chances to be logged on mor than once.
What might help is to put a timr on party, which would automatically boot
anyone who has ben i n party for more than an hour. They can always reconnect
but it would discourage folks from spending excessiv amounts of tim in party.
Some peopl gt in party and leave their grex windows open for hours wihle they
ar not even at their computer.
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tsty
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response 8 of 45:
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Jul 2 19:27 UTC 1996 |
lots of ppl just like to read/watch/observe ... party is good for that too.
and, fwiw, did that idea come from the m-b0x?
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scott
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response 9 of 45:
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Jul 2 21:09 UTC 1996 |
I think there *should* be a policy forcing kerouac to press "Return" after
79 columns in each line of his responses. ;)
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lost2
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response 10 of 45:
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Jul 2 21:40 UTC 1996 |
Actualy I didn't know that it was possible to be logged in under seperate name
at the same time I was speaking of the people who on a regular basis (they
know who they know who they are) logon twice with the same login ID .
Scott I would appiciate it if you would keep your remarks centered to the
topic and not come in here just to bash kerouac! While I don't agree with
Kerouac's point of view alot I still think he has a right to it.
RE#7 Kerouac there is already a program that bumps people out of party if they
are idle for more than 20 minutes. As long as they are using party I see no
reason not to let them stay on.
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rcurl
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response 11 of 45:
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Jul 2 21:48 UTC 1996 |
I graciously request that kerouac enable gate, if he would be so kind, so
that his lines wrap, and we can better read and understand his sagacious
commentary.
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scg
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response 12 of 45:
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Jul 2 23:03 UTC 1996 |
I'd hesitate to codify anything about being logged in multiple times. It's
a bad thing when the system is full, but can be quite useful as well, so I
often do that when there aren't very many people logged in. The big thing
is that people need to be careful about not doing that when the system is
full.
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scott
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response 13 of 45:
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Jul 2 23:35 UTC 1996 |
Well, I dind't mean to "bash" kerouac. I should have put a few more ";)"s
on there so it was obvious. I would appreciate a little more coherence on
occasion, and the normally clean kerouac text has been rather messy the
last couple of day... ;)
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ajax
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response 14 of 45:
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Jul 3 00:16 UTC 1996 |
To enable gate for future responses, type "!use_gate" at the "Respond or
pass?" prompt. It's almost transparent, but provides auto-carriage-return.
Sorry, Lost One, but some drift is inevitable.
Multiple logins could be better prevented by technical modifications to
prevent them in the first place, rather than having staff members patrolling
and booting multiple logins. I don't support either policy, however.
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remmers
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response 15 of 45:
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Jul 3 11:27 UTC 1996 |
Don't people running "screen" show up as multiply-logged-in even
though they're really not? Perhaps that's what lost2 has been
observing.
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lost2
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response 16 of 45:
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Jul 3 14:12 UTC 1996 |
What pray tell is screen remmers? and does it effect the number of people who
have acess to grex?
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brighn
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response 17 of 45:
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Jul 3 14:50 UTC 1996 |
I've been told that screen still takes up multiple tty ports,
which is the relevant issue (if you're only logged in once,
but spiral around to take 20 ttys, it still blocks as many
people as logging on 20 times, eh?)
Plus, screen also allegedly saps resources and is a major
contributor to lag, or so i've been told. I may be wrong.
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scott
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response 18 of 45:
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Jul 3 16:02 UTC 1996 |
Screen is a program that lets you have multiple sessions running from one
login... This is mainly of use to people dialing in .
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jenna
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response 19 of 45:
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Jul 3 18:43 UTC 1996 |
the thing is... if you have a PPP connection you can
open up as many telnet essions as you like. <shrug> i used
to do it... about a year ago (and some more than that)
I could run three or four at once and do my conferencing
and be in 2 party channels at once... <shrug>
I've gotten past all that (as well as the mulrtiple
login fascination...) FYI nsmorgan was never a login of mine.
i had: lillith, lily, jenna, jenne, shade, opium, darklass,
darklady, blakrose, and some evenn I had forgotten
entirely. oh darea too... <shrug> as far as i know everything
but shade and jenna have been deleted and i havn;'t logged on
as shade since i made jenna <shrug>
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adbarr
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response 20 of 45:
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Jul 3 22:07 UTC 1996 |
I think we should do whatever Staff says. And we should be very grateful
they said it, because, after all, this is their system. I do love Staff.
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jenna
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response 21 of 45:
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Jul 3 23:14 UTC 1996 |
(ummm.... adbarr....)
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scg
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response 22 of 45:
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Jul 4 00:48 UTC 1996 |
Screen probably does a lot less in terms of lag than two different people
logged in. Screen can only be sending stuff across the link one session at
a time.. Still, it does take up network ports. We need to fix that.
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srw
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response 23 of 45:
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Jul 5 05:50 UTC 1996 |
We have a plan for fixing that. When we do, screen will no longer consume
a limited resource, because ptys will be unlimited. Until then, screen is not
a nice thing to run when the system is full.
I have written a few messages to users found logged in and actively using
multiple sessions on the same login when the system is busy.
I have explained that we have no policy against it, but that it denied others
access to Grex, and I asked if they would voluntarily refrain when the system
is full. Several of these people thanked me for informing them of this problem
and said that they would.
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draven
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response 24 of 45:
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Jul 5 22:16 UTC 1996 |
Could a set of ptys be roped off specifically for screen use?
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