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tsty
"..computer networks deserve the highest protection from gummint ntrusion." Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:13 UTC 1996

I think this is a quote from the Supreme Court decision on the CDA.
  
I only heard teh quote and not the preceeding material on a radio
newscast a couple minutes ago.
  
thoughts and relief?
73 responses total.
tsty
response 1 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:15 UTC 1996

...that quote again, with wrap/spelling corections.
  
        "... the computer networks deserve the highest protection
        from gummint intrusion."
  
i really hope that was in refernce to the CDA, i really do.
scott
response 2 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:15 UTC 1996

Meaning, in this case, that the CDA has been ruled (at least for now) invalid!

Yay!
meg
response 3 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:18 UTC 1996

I wish I had more context than just that quote.
tsty
response 4 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:34 UTC 1996

me too, the nly othehr thing that was tagged onto the quote was that
the opinion ran over 100 pages ... n clue as to split decision or
unanimous or separate concurrng/opposing opinions ... just this
bulletin off the radio.
brighn
response 5 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:38 UTC 1996

This was *not* the Supreme Court.
A three-member judicial panel with federal power has enacted a
preliminary injunction against the CDA on the grounds that it
is unconstitutional.  Presumably, an injunction is stronger 
than a TRO (temporary restraining order), which a legislative
panel had already put against the CDA.  This is what I've heard;
I was given a few more details, but the additional details seemed to vague
to repeat here.
Anyone who has more?
tsty
response 6 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:58 UTC 1996

thankxx for the correction brighn.
robh
response 7 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 17:33 UTC 1996

I haven't heard anything, but I'll hop over to my ISP and see
if the Usenet has anything on it.
ajax
response 8 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 17:36 UTC 1996

That's what I heard on NPR this afternoon, too, Paul.  I don't think
there's a whole lot more to say about it.  Some arguments against the
CDA from several months ago were reiterated.
robh
response 9 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 17:50 UTC 1996

Here's the news, from www.eff.org:


Federal Court Rules Communications Decency Act Unconstitutional
---------------------------------------------------------------

Groups challenging the law prepare for government appeal to the Supreme Court


Electronic Frontier Foundation
PRESS RELEASE

Contacts: Stanton McCandlish, Online Activist, +1 415 436 9333
          Mike Godwin, Staff Counsel, +1 510 548 3290
          Shari Steele, Staff Counsel, +1 301 375 8856

Philadelphia -- "Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the
strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the
unfettered speech the First Amendment protects."

With these ringing words, a Philadelphia federal court has struck down a law
today that would have criminalized constitutionally protected speech on the
Internet and other online forums.

In what civil libertarians are hailing as a victory for everyone who uses
computer communications, a three-judge panel in Philadelphia's federal
court ruled in a unanimous decision that the controversial
"Communications Decency Act" (CDA) violates the U.S. constitutional
guarantees of freedom of speech and of the press.

"First of all, we are pleased to see the court vindicate our vision of the Net
as a medium protected by the First Amendment," said Lori Fena, executive
director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a watchdog group
established to protect civil liberties, and promote responsibility, in
computer communications. "Secondly, we are delighted that the court has gone
beyond striking down the law, and has stated positively what constitutional
principles must govern any attempt to regulate the most democratic mass
medium the world has ever seen."

Said EFF Chairman Esther Dyson: "This is a day for individual citizens, for
families, and for public and private organizations online to celebrate."

"The judges recognized that CDA was a wholly inappropriate exercise of
governmental power under the Constitution," said Mike Godwin, EFF staff
counsel. "The law would have abridged one of the freedoms that Americans
treasure most, and a freedom that is central to any democratic society," he
said.

Godwin applauded the members of the coalition that challenged the law in
federal court. "We and the other plaintiffs persuaded them that the
government cannot constitutionally impose this sort of overreaching, and
duplicative regulation of content in the online world," Godwin said.

Dyson stated that the decision stands for one of EFF's principal positions
regarding free speech online: "We believe in free speech at the source -- and
in the empowerment of any audience for that speech to control what they see.

"This decision takes the responsibility for controlling and accessing speech
on the Net out of the hands of government and puts it back in the hands of
parents and other individuals where it belongs," she said. "Individuals
already have the technical means to make their own choices about what they
and their children read and see," Dyson said.

Godwin noted that existing anti-obscenity laws, together with low-cost
technological solutions, offer a more efficient, less intrusive answer to
questions about protecting children in the online world.

"The government kept saying that this was a crisis that required harsher
censorship in the online world than in any other communications medium,"
Godwin said. "In fact, we showed that it's possible to promote both freedom
of speech and family values -- that the two goals don't oppose each other."

While the plaintiffs  are pleased with the victory, Fena said, "it's no time
to be complacent." A collection of poorly drafted state laws has followed in
the wake of the passage of the CDA, and the issues these statutes raise must
be addressed as well, she said.

"What's as compelling as the language of this decision," Godwin said, "is the
breadth of the opposition to this legislation," He noted that two large
groups of plaintiffs, including EFF, the American Civil Liberties Union, the
Electronic Privacy Information Center, People for the American Way, the
American Library Association, Microsoft, and Apple Computer, had challenged
the recently passed law in Philadelphia's federal court. Even Administration
officials have privately and publicly voiced their concerns. The plaintiffs
must now prepare for the government's planned appeal to the United States
Supreme Court, Godwin said, citing a provision of the Telecommunications
Reform Act of 1996, which prescribes such a direct appeal when a provision of
the telecom act is found unconstitutional in a lower court..

Godwin also commented that "this may be the most rapidly distributed federal
court opinion in American history." Sites all over the over the Net would be
carrying the full text of the opinion almost as soon as the judges hand it
down, he said, noting that the court is providing copies of the opinion on
computer diskettes as well as through more traditional means.

The constitutional challenge to the Communications Decency Act has been
grounded in four basic arguments -- that the law is unconstitutionally
overbroad (criminalizing protected speech), that it is unconstitutionally
vague (making it difficult for individuals and organizations to comply),
that it fails what the judiciary calls the "least restrictive means" test for
speech regulation, and that there is no basic constitutional authority under
the First Amendment to engage in this type of content regulation in any
nonbroadcast medium.

"We are confident the Supreme Court will uphold the Philadelphia court's
decision," Godwin said.


To reach EFF board chairman Esther Dyson or executive director Lori Fena,
please contact EFF's main office at +1 415 436 9333.


    *****************************************************************


The Electronic Frontier Foundation
1550 Bryant St., Suite 725
San Francisco CA 94103 USA
+1 415 436 9333 (voice)
+1 415 436 9993 (fax)
Internet: ask@eff.org



brighn
response 10 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 20:10 UTC 1996

sounds like this was the same panel that put on the TRO in the first place ...
so unless the feds appeal and the SUpreme Court takes it up  (which, in
my understanding, they only do if they're either dissatisfied with the 
lower court's decision and have a reasonable expectation they'll reverse 
it, or if they feel strongly enough about an issue that they want to 
set precedent, and other First Amendment cases set better precedent),
the CDA is dead.  Now, of course, the legislators are going to do what
they always do when they get a clear message from the judicial braanch and
the people... they're going to rewrite it and try to get Prsident Dole
to sign it next year...
scg
response 11 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 20:24 UTC 1996

I think it's actually a good thing if the Feds appeal it to the Supreme Court,
assuming the Supreme Court makes the same decision the lower court did.  The
Cupreme Cout sets far more powerful precidents than lower courts do.
starwolf
response 12 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 20:27 UTC 1996

Party at Brighn's house!
robh
response 13 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 21:00 UTC 1996

Re 10 - Technically, it was only one of the three judges who
issued the temporary restraining order earlier, not all three.

I'ma ll for a party at GNO tomorrow, though.  I'll bring the
blue ribbon.  >8)
aruba
response 14 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 21:06 UTC 1996

Yay!
gregc
response 15 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 21:22 UTC 1996

Apparently, taking this matter to the supreme court is not optional.
kerouac
response 16 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 21:33 UTC 1996

CDA on the supreme court....

Scalia, Thomas, Rehnquist will be against...

Breyer and Ginsburg will vote to uphold the latest ruling

Souter is something of a moderate, as is O'Connor, at least one of them 
will vote to uphold...

This leaves the deciding vote to Anthony Kennedy

I think the odds are pretty good that the cda is dead :)

remmers
response 17 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 22:17 UTC 1996

I learned about the decision from the Ann Arbor News a couple of
hours ago. Made my day.

As I type this, I'm reading the full text (quite lengthy) of the
court's decision in another window. You can get it on the web at
URL http://www.eff.org/Alerts/HTML/960612_aclu_v_reno_decision.html

It's not particular full of legaleze and should be quite readable
by the lay person. The first section contains a very detailed and
accurate description of the history and nature of the internet. The
judges did their homework!
robh
response 18 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 22:27 UTC 1996

Which is why they knew the CDA was bollocks.  >8)
adbarr
response 19 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 01:02 UTC 1996

Nice to hear cheers for the courts.
janc
response 20 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 02:12 UTC 1996

Good news.  Cheers to the courts, but especially cheers to the ACLU which did
a wonderful job in leading the attack on the CDA.
jenna
response 21 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 02:37 UTC 1996

According to my newspaper emplyed mother,
it has already been appealed but is not  expected
to be upheld at any highr level of court.
(trans: the supreme court will probably agre with the lower
court if it comes to that)
arthurp
response 22 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 04:32 UTC 1996

I cheered in my living room at the TV news.
blh
response 23 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 14:17 UTC 1996

N Y Times contains exerpts from three judges.
janc
response 24 of 73: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 15:00 UTC 1996

exerpts from 3 Judges?  Would that be left-handed Ehud's assassination of fat
king Eglon?
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