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nephi
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Co-op 8
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Jan 19 05:06 UTC 1996 |
As some of y'all know, I've asked the Conference Admins to create Coop 8
because most folks seem to think that this version of Coop has gotten a little
(well, okay, a lot) bloated.
The new conference will open within a week, and in the mean time, I'd like
to know which items everyone wants linked over. I'd appreciate it if folks
would suggest items that they would like to see linked here. I'll watch this
item and link over the items that folks want linked.
Gee, I hope that made sense . . . 8^)
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tsty
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response 1 of 116:
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Jan 19 05:28 UTC 1996 |
makes sense - there was a suggestion for items 2-8 (?) to be linked
and installed in their same locations - good idea - higher numbered items
are up for suggestions.
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kerouac
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response 2 of 116:
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Jan 19 20:03 UTC 1996 |
I'd link item #144, an excellent drift item about the state of grex and
various things being considered...worth keeping alive.
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sidhe
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response 3 of 116:
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Jan 21 19:57 UTC 1996 |
That's a good idea.. I would like to see the "changes to party" item
linked, please.
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popcorn
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response 4 of 116:
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Jan 23 09:57 UTC 1996 |
<sigh>
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nephi
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response 5 of 116:
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Feb 5 07:45 UTC 1996 |
These items have been linked. If there are any other relevant items that
wouldn't best be served by a total restart, put them here.
Co-op should go "live" as soon as the Conference Admins get my mail and open
the conference.
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rcurl
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response 6 of 116:
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Feb 5 17:11 UTC 1996 |
The coop8 header says "Decisions are made by a rough consensus of all
participants.". Quiz question for today: when was the last time a decision
was made in coop?
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brighn
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response 7 of 116:
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Feb 5 20:25 UTC 1996 |
I was told the party changes decision was made based on the discussion here...
duno if that was the last time, or if that's accurate....
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kaplan
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response 8 of 116:
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Feb 5 22:58 UTC 1996 |
I'd like to see coop7 151 linked to coop8. I don't think that the caller-id
discussion is done yet.
Link the sun4 update item. It's in the mid 90s.
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kerouac
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response 9 of 116:
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Feb 5 23:57 UTC 1996 |
And coop 149, about the staff conf and garage proposal.\
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scg
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response 10 of 116:
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Feb 6 05:20 UTC 1996 |
Number 6 is very idealistic, but unfortunately not always true. Yes, a lot
of decisions are made by a rough consensus, but all too often a consensus
doesn't really emerge. A lot of decisions are made by the board, based on
what's been said in Coop, but not decided by consensus in Coop necessarally.
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rcurl
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response 11 of 116:
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Feb 6 07:51 UTC 1996 |
Number 6 wasn't idealistic - it was a little poke in the ribs. I think
you meant the quote was idealistic. The example proffered - the party
changes - were contentious and thus not a consensus. A consensus is
"an opinion held by all or most", and in some circles its *all*. I don't
think I've seen one of those in coop concerning anything significant. I
suggest editing the header to reflect the way it really works.
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brighn
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response 12 of 116:
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Feb 6 14:59 UTC 1996 |
The Party changes were approved by a consensus (majority) of the people
who responded to the item before the changes were made. The fact that
the item was stormed by actual Partygoers (TM) after the fact doesn't
change that... but that's been discussed elsewhere. 8^)
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rcurl
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response 13 of 116:
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Feb 6 15:39 UTC 1996 |
Sorry, a consensus is *not* a majority - it is essentially *all*.
Definition. What happened was a minority discussed the issue without
consulting everyone affected, and then took action. That is decision
by cabal, not by majority, and definitely not by consensus. Most
decisions on Grex are made by cabal.
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tsty
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response 14 of 116:
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Feb 6 17:10 UTC 1996 |
"rough consensus" - "roughly all." Maybe rough has some extra connotations?
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chelsea
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response 15 of 116:
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Feb 6 23:19 UTC 1996 |
I'd like to make a gentle request that the 'how it works' text now located
in the conference login pleased be moved to item #1 so that we don't have
to see it every single time we enter the conference.
Thank you. ;-)
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carson
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response 16 of 116:
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Feb 7 03:06 UTC 1996 |
actually, moving it to the bulletin would be fine, too.
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popcorn
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response 17 of 116:
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Feb 7 03:07 UTC 1996 |
I second Mary's suggestion. The "how it works" stuff sounds to me like
a request for vehement debate. I think of this conference as the place where
people work together to keep Grex running, not a place where people ought to
be practicing their debate sparring skills. Though I do like the way the text
encourages everyone to participate -- hearing more people's thoughts would
definitely be cool.
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popcorn
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response 18 of 116:
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Feb 7 03:07 UTC 1996 |
(#16 slipped in)
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nephi
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response 19 of 116:
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Feb 7 07:44 UTC 1996 |
Warning: Items 8, 10, 12, 13, and 14 are all links from Co-op 7.
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nephi
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response 20 of 116:
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Feb 7 08:13 UTC 1996 |
Item 15's a link, too.
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remmers
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response 21 of 116:
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Feb 7 12:09 UTC 1996 |
Agree with moving the "how it works" text out of the conference
login file. The bulletin file would be a good place.
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ajax
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response 22 of 116:
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Feb 7 12:24 UTC 1996 |
I was kinda thinking that too, but figured maybe it would grow on me :-).
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remmers
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response 23 of 116:
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Feb 7 15:59 UTC 1996 |
It's not growing on me. It's too long to be forced to look at it
all the time, and as has been pointed out it doesn't accurately
reflect how decisions are made. And the "huffing and puffing"
imagery goes against the "peaceable interchange of ideas"
language that newuser shows to people.
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brighn
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response 24 of 116:
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Feb 7 16:14 UTC 1996 |
(Woe be it to the newuser who wanders in here anyway, John... hopefully
by the time you wander in here you've been corrupted and have seen
plenty of huffing and puffing... 8^)
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