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Minutes of the Board Meeting of Oct 23, 1996 Mark Unseen   Oct 24 04:38 UTC 1996

Minutes of the Meeting of the Cyberspace Communications Board of Directors

Wednesday, October 23, 1996 at 7:30 PM in the Cafeteria of the 
ITI Building on Hubbard Road in Ann Arbor.

1. The meeting was called to order at 7:36 by Scott Helmke.

Directors present:

Scott Helmke (scott), President
Mark Conger (aruba), Treasurer
Steve Weiss (srw), Secretary
Steve Gibbard (scg),
Valerie Mates (popcorn),
Rob Henderson (robh),
Misti Anslin Tucker (mta)

Others present:

Dan Gryniewicz (dang),
Jan Wolter (janc),
Rob Argy (ajax)

2. Treasurer's Report

Mark Conger had posted the results from September online. In summary, 
he described September as a pretty good month. We took in $1448, but much of
that was exceptional income, and our expenses were $529. We now 100 members.

Mark also indicated that October is shaping up to be a good month too.

We have collected $856 from the auction so far, but we have $300 more
to collect. Valerie said that she expects another wave of income from the
auction as a result of e-mailed reminders to the high bidders.

3. Rehabilitation Committee

Grex received a donation of random really old computer hardware. It consists
mostly of 8088 machines, even though it was billed as 80286 or 80386. So it
is not clear how useful these machines can be. Dan Gryniewicz offered to 
take a look at them to determine which are working OK. These could be used to 
build terminal emulators (Grex Terminals), that boot from floppy.

4. Publicity Committee

Misti announced that the production of new fliers is under way, but not 
complete.  Misti needs some help in moving the fliers to their destinations.

5. Technical Committee

Discussion was deferred, as more staffers were expected to arrive.

6. Grex Has Moved

Valerie and Jan reported a total of about $100 in expenses were needed to 
complete the move of Grex (aside from the telephone installation cost).
Jan wrote up a description of the activities during the move, which is 
posted online in response 549 of item 77 in coop. Valerie and Steve Gibbard 
reported that the Ameritech Installer was wonderfully helpful. 

There remains some concern that we are near the limit of the 20 amp 
electric circuit that we are on. Valerie pointed out that the landlord had
suggested that more power could be obtained from the Fan's circuit, which
is on a separate breaker.

10. New staff appointments

Valerie, representing the staff, reported that at the most recent staff 
meeting, staff decided to recommend two appointments to staff for the 
board to consider. One was the authorization of root access for 
Michael O'Leary (nephi), and the other was the appointment of 
Ryan Antkowiak (ryan1) to  party administrator. There was brief discussion
on both of these appointments.

MOTION: (popcorn, srw) Authorize Michael O'Leary (nephi) to have root access
with all the privileges and responsibilities pertaining thereto.

PASSES (7-0)

MOTION: (popcorn, scg) Authorize Ryan Antkowiak (ryan1) to be 
"Party Administrator" with all the privileges and responsibilities 
pertaining thereto.

PASSES (7-0)

12. New Business

* Valerie has been contacting Sun Microsystems, looking for donations of 
  equipment. Sun's official policy is that they only donate to educational
  institutions. Valerie will continue to investigate.

* Valerie reported some more specific costs for T1 phone links. These
prices do not include internet service, but are the price of the phone line.

There is a connection fee of $587.50

$330/month for a month-to-month contract.
$311/month for a 12 month contract.
$276/month for a 36 month contract.
$250/month for a 60 month contract.

If you need to shorten your contract, they will permit this by paying them
back in a lump-sum the difference  over the term of the contract so far.

They will waive the connection fee for 36 or 60 month contracts if ordered
before 12/31/1996.

There was no more new business.

5. Technical Committee Report.

This topic had been deferred, but we have no other topics to cover. Valerie
identified the following technical items of interest:

* We are running out of UIDs. Staff plans to start having the newuser 
programs begin reallocating old discarded UIDs beginning at UID 1000.
This will begin shortly, as we are now over 60,000 out of a total of 
65,500+.

* We have moved to a new location.

* We need to upgrade our CPU to a SUN 4/400.

* Load averages have been creeping higher and higher, and there is no simple
explanation. Steve Weiss has noticed an increase in pine usage, which could
have some loading effect due to its large size.

* Heavy ftp users have been contacted and asked to find another place to use
for this purpose.

* We have been inundated in spam mail from some sites. We blocked access from 
one of them (moneyworld.com) due to this abuse. There have been other kinds 
of mail abuse, too.

* M-Net was reported to be down. This could increase Grex's load if it stays 
down.

* We still need to install modems. Now that Grex has moved and we are on
Centrex, so that outgoing calls can be blocked, there is the likelihood that 
this will happen soon. Steve Gibbard, Valerie Mates, and Jan Wolter expressed
interest in this project. We have only 10 of 13 lines of the hunt in 
operation, and this would allow us to use all of the lines.

* Gryps (the Free-BSD router) still crashes regularly, and is rebooted by an
automated script. As a result it is rarely responsible for large outages, but
regularly responsible for short outages of the internet link. 

* Backtalk is functional and is being used by some conference users. It is 
improving as Jan adds features to the engine and Pistachio interfaces. Steve
Weiss plans to upgrade the Vanilla interface to add more graphic elements and
forms, and features it lacks. Steve also acknowledged a known problem in 
which it fails to strip control characters. Steve has been too busy to make
progress recently.

* Grex's disk partition which holds users' files (/home) has been close to
full recently. We have been trimming unnecessary things to keep it from
running out of space, but we could use a new disk. It was proposed that
there wasn't much point in waiting, given the currently low price of disk,
and the fact that prices are no longer dropping so fast. The disk could
first be used to reorganize home hierarchically, which would speed Grex a
great deal. This is a long standing staff project. Several staffers urged
the board to consider authorizing the purchase of a new disk.

MOTION (Scott, srw) Authorize of to $500 for a new disk drive of at least 2
GB for use to expand Grex's home area.

PASSES (7-0)

Staff will begin to search for the best price and product to fill this need.

[Two more items appeared, but these are not part of the technical committee
 section of the meeting]
 

JCC Sale Report

Rob Argy reported that we took in $201.50 at the sale and also received a 
donation of $65, for which a recipient of a Grex membership was to be chosen.
Rob Argy asked online for volunteers to receive this, and has coordinated the
membership award with the treasurer.

Library Report

Valerie reported that an area in the "grexdoc" directory was set aside for
a library, as requested by T.S. Taylor (tsty). This area has not been
populated yet.

13. Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 9:17 PM.

13 responses total.
dang
response 1 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 12:53 UTC 1996

I believe that was *up* to $500 for the disk.  It says "of".  
albaugh
response 2 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 20:04 UTC 1996

At work, we were also looking at running out of UIDs.  That is, traditional
UNIX supports 16-bit UID fields, which tops you out at ~64K.  By upgrading
the HP server's OS to 10.x, 32-bit UID fields were supported, and the running
out of UIDs problem went away.  Does Sun have a similar OS upgrade available
that would also address this?
popcorn
response 3 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 20:59 UTC 1996

Nothing that we could easily install, nope.  But it should be no problem to
start re-using old UID numbers.  We have been adding new UIDs to the end of
the list, and reaping users out of the middle of the list, so there are now
plenty of "holes" in the list.  By having newuser start over, we can fill in
the holes.  (It will skip the IDs that are already in use.)  When we get up
to 64,000 *users*, then we'll need to start looking into 32-bit UID fields.
davel
response 4 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 10:08 UTC 1996

I think by that time we'd better be on hardware & OS version new enough to
already support that, somehow.  We'll have other problems with that many users
before we actually run out of UIDs - I trust.
scg
response 5 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 16:07 UTC 1996

I think Sun's OS "upgrade" that supports that is Solaris.  Going from 
SunOS to Solaris would be an incredible pain for lots of reasons (such 
as everything needing to be recompiled), and I think it would have some 
other disadvantages as well.
steve
response 6 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 16:42 UTC 1996

   Thats right.  We don't want to go to Solaris until we really
absolutely have to.
davel
response 7 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 17:07 UTC 1996

Agreed.  My point is that this one limit is probably at most the last straw,
not what "absolutely have to" means in this context.  I could be wrong, of
course, but ...
albaugh
response 8 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:00 UTC 1996

Believe me, I understand first-hand the desire to stay on SunOS 4.x and not
upgrade to Solaris (SunOS 5.5).  But sooner or later Sun is going to
officially drop support on pre-Solaris SunOS, aren't they?  And where would
that leave grex?
steve
response 9 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:45 UTC 1996

   Exactly where we are, right now.

   We get no help from Sunsoft as it is--we couldn't afford it.
However, there are still a rther large number of places running
4.1.3, so many in fact that Sun came out with 4.1.4, to deal
with all the people in the "4.1.3 or DIE" camp.

   Still, we can't think of being on SunOS forever.  If something
like a 300MHz Alpha dropped in our laps, we;d have to take a close
look and OFS/1 and see about moving to that.
dang
response 10 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 22:38 UTC 1996

Didn't we have to recompile everything for the sun 4 move too?
srw
response 11 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 23:51 UTC 1996

As STeve says, we are not on support right now. We have our own in-house
support. So Sun can drop support, but it won't affect us.

Yes we recompiled everything to go to the sun 4, and it took forever. We'd
need an extremely good reason to do it again. It is a step not to be taken
lightly, and one of the reasons that the move took so long to effect.
tsty
response 12 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 11:06 UTC 1996

library is trying to get copyright approval from various sources 
before *really* populating the subdirectories. there is a lot of
email with 'stuff' that seems interesting. 
  
there are subdiretories created .... i guess at this point my
suggestion/request would be for subdirectory ideas and sources for
'stuff' to go inside. or, email stuf to    library   for inclusion.
  
glad the minutes approved the $$ for the hd just before we needed
to buy a couple ... <g> maybe the current hd found out early <g>.
mdw
response 13 of 13: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 11:17 UTC 1996

Solaris can run sunos binaries.  Solaris 2.5.1 supports long uids.
'Course, anything that knows about uids would need to be recompiled
before we could switch to long uids, but there is every chance the
conversion process could be a less stressful than the conversion process
from the sun-3 to the sun-4.
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