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Grex > Coop8 > #123: Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances through 9/30/96 |  |
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aruba
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Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances through 9/30/96
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Oct 8 04:15 UTC 1996 |
Here is the treasurer's report on Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
finances through September 30th, 1996.
Beginning Balance $3,267.30
Credits $646.00 Member Contributions
$183.50 Auction Proceeds
$6.00 Mug Sales
$123.00 T-Shirt sales
$490.00 Repayment from STeve
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$1,448.50
Debits $25.00 Dungeon Rent
$0.00 Electricity
$20.00 Innovative Concepts phone line
$294.17 Phone bill
$5.87 Bank service charge
$66.80 T-Shirt Expenses
$107.49 Loaned to STeve Andre
$10.00 Michigan Annual Corporate Filing Fee
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$529.33
Ending Balance $4,186.47
Our current balance breaks down as follows:
$4,126.47 General fund
$60.00 UPS fund
Well, as you can see we had a pretty good month in September. Keep in mind
that we haven't made our first rent payment at the new place yet, and we
haven't paid for electricity in the dungeon for October (as we would normally
have done by now), because we're not sure how many days we'll be there.
You'll see those things on next month's balance sheet.
All things considered, though, we still had a good month. I'd like to thank
everyone who contributed in September:
ajax, alianora, aruba, beamer, birdlady, bmoran, brown, bruin, carson, coyote,
dang, eskarina, giry, golfer, gustitus, hsiao, kaplan, kharder, kiwibird,
llanarth, matthew, meg, nako, nephi, nsiddall, null, olddraco, pisces, quail,
ripper, robh, scg, scott, shepherd, spensuh, spyder, steve, swiener, swintos,
wolfg676, word, and yup.
Thanks everyone!
To become a member of Grex and help support this environment you are enjoying,
just send $6/month or $60/year to:
Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
P.O. Box 4432
Ann Arbor, MI 48106-4432
If you pay by cash or money order, PLEASE include a photocopy of some form of
ID. I can't add you to the membership rolls unless I see some ID. If you pay
by check, that's good enough.
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ladyevil
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response 1 of 40:
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Oct 9 00:00 UTC 1996 |
ANd don't despair if you'd like to donate to grex without ID! We're working
on how to properly recognize your efforts, too! No benefits like the above
are likely, but there will be some recognition.
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snafu
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response 2 of 40:
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Oct 9 00:16 UTC 1996 |
Do you need ID from anonymos donors??
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mta
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response 3 of 40:
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Oct 9 00:53 UTC 1996 |
Nope. Only for members and only because state law requires that we have a
list of member names with some sort of verifficatio and net ettiquette
requires that we know and be able to track anyone who we let loose on the net.
Our benefactors can be as anonymous 9or not) as they like.
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tsty
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response 4 of 40:
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Oct 9 08:39 UTC 1996 |
voting members ... <g> are required (by some silly state law or other) to
make their membership 'a matter of public record,' a position of the
'state' that is onerous and intrusive at best, imnsho.
but don't let that stop you from suggesting a non-voting memberships
classification *nor* stop you from donating, regardless.
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rcurl
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response 5 of 40:
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Oct 9 15:57 UTC 1996 |
TS, if anyone can vote anonymously, what's to prevent them from voting many
times?
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ladyevil
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response 6 of 40:
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Oct 10 03:38 UTC 1996 |
The ghost of Al Capone will stop them.
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tsty
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response 7 of 40:
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Oct 10 08:38 UTC 1996 |
where did #6 come from?
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steve
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response 8 of 40:
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Oct 10 16:11 UTC 1996 |
From ladyevil?
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brighn
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response 9 of 40:
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Oct 10 21:40 UTC 1996 |
*rimshot*
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arianna
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response 10 of 40:
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Oct 12 00:57 UTC 1996 |
arooo? *blink*
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ladyevil
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response 11 of 40:
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Oct 12 20:49 UTC 1996 |
Now THIS is drift.. *heehee*
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tsty
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response 12 of 40:
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Oct 13 08:02 UTC 1996 |
#5 presumes that anonymity and multiple voting are linked. ummm, not.
what's to allow multiple voting? a stupid vote program. grex does *not*
have a 'stupid vote program.' it is not a secret ballot, but it is smart.
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ajax
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response 13 of 40:
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Oct 13 12:09 UTC 1996 |
Re 12, anonymity and multiple voting are not linked, as long as there's
only one anonymous person voting. Otherwise you have the potential for
multiple voting, but can't tell for sure whether or not it occurred.
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drew
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response 14 of 40:
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Oct 13 15:43 UTC 1996 |
If a single person buys two memberships, he is contributing twice as much
as someone who buys only one. In most publicly held corporations, voting
rights are proportional to amount of stock held, therefore proportional to
the individual's "contribution" to the effort. Perhaps this would not be an
entirely bad thing for BBSes like Grex.
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mta
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response 15 of 40:
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Oct 13 17:15 UTC 1996 |
Yes it would. It would be very bad indeed.
A policy like that would put GREX right down there with any other place
in the world where the "haves" get the say and the "have nots" are just
along for the ride--and usually get screwed.
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e4808mc
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response 16 of 40:
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Oct 13 19:57 UTC 1996 |
If we truly want to function cooperatively, we will continue to have 1 person
= 1 vote. That is once of the stated basic values of cooperatives. The
poorest member has exactly the same number of votes as the richest member.
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remmers
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response 17 of 40:
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Oct 13 22:05 UTC 1996 |
I agree that we should stick to that.
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dang
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response 18 of 40:
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Oct 14 01:09 UTC 1996 |
Tsty, if you allow everyone to vote, I can make 100 accounts, and vote 100
times. Hence, anonymity is not necessarily related to multiple votes, but
it does allow it, while requiring ID does prevent it.
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srw
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response 19 of 40:
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Oct 14 02:13 UTC 1996 |
Democratic principles are very important to Grex, so we only
allow any individual to have but one membership.^L^LThat way no
one can vote more than once. You can give more money of you
want, but it does not buy more memberships. That's another
reason it is good for each membership to be attached to some ID.
While this is required by law, it doesn't seem to me that we
have any reason to wish it were different, as we'd give up these
democratic safeguards if it were.
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rcurl
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response 20 of 40:
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Oct 14 16:21 UTC 1996 |
Re #14: yes, shareholders can vote shares in some types of corporations, but
not in a "membership" based non-profit.
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tsty
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response 21 of 40:
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Oct 17 13:13 UTC 1996 |
who ever twisted my position into "allowing everyone to vote" is a
slippery master of politics. i have said nothingof the sort.
if democratic principles are as important as is stated everywhere, let's
like, maybe, even go whole-hog on the concept and have a secret ballot.
btw, 'ballot box stuffing' fears result from a sly red herring swimming
through, imo.
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davel
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response 22 of 40:
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Oct 17 14:47 UTC 1996 |
Why? I'll state up front: *any* online system meeting your criterion for
being a truly secret ballot (as I understand it - no possible way anyone
could tell how anyone voted) is inherently open to rigging in a way Grex's
current system is not. With the current system, I can check how I'm recorded
as voting and insure that no one's changed it. *I* can also change my mind
& my vote right up to the time the polls close - a big plus, IMO.
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ajax
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response 23 of 40:
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Oct 17 17:15 UTC 1996 |
The current system could also be tampered with, and could just
fool you into believing that your vote hasn't been changed - anything
is possible with software! :-) TS, if you have an alternative proposal
for how to conduct a secret ballot online, how about entering it in a
new item? While I think we have an excellent system in place, I'd be
interested in reading about alternatives. Electronic voting is a
complex issue.
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albaugh
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response 24 of 40:
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Oct 17 17:55 UTC 1996 |
Since no new item about electronic voting has been entered yet, I'd like to
chime in with this: It would seem to be workable to have an electronic
voting "process" (with software) that would allow a member to only vote
once, and after the member's vote is recorded, the member would be issued
a randomly-generated "tag" for future reference. Then you could have a
publicly viewable file/report that showed all the votes recorded, with
associated tags, and a tally included for all the yeses and noes. That way
everybody could see how many votes were cast, and the results. There would
be no claim of ballot stuffing. Each member could look for his tag in the
results and raise a ruckus if it were missing or incorrect. Staff could
verify that there were no tags associated with phantom members. FWIW...
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