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mary
Agenda: Grex BOD Meeting on Monday, January 19th Mark Unseen   Jan 10 14:51 UTC 2004


     Agenda: Grex Board of Directors Meeting 
              Monday, January 19th
  
  1.  7:00 p.m. Opening Gavel Tap
  2.  Election of Officers
  3.  Treasurer's Report
  4.  Staff Report
  5.  New Grex Update
  6.  Adding New Staff   
  4.  Renewing Grex's Lease
  8.  Schedule Next Meeting
  9.  New Business
  10. Closing Gavel Tap
  
  The meeting will be held at Lynne Fremont's home (slynne).
  More people will probably find it if I let her enter the
  directions..
 
  Even though the meetings are now being held in users/
  board members' homes, they are still very much open to
  anyone who'd care to attend.
 

37 responses total.
mary
response 1 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 15:08 UTC 2004

Number four should be a number seven.  Sorry.

The Adding New Staff bit is my idea.  A couple of people have indicated,
recently, they'd be willing to help out on staff.  It is staff's call.
But I'd like to make sure this information gets considered at one of
the next staff meetings.

The renewing Grex's lease thing is boiler plate stuff.  We have one more
year left to simply renew before we'll need to negotiate a whole new
lease.  We need to notify our landlord, in writing, of our intent, before
February 1st. 

I don't know if any of the current uproar over Valerie's actions
belong on the agenda.  My feeling is no.  But if others disagree,
it will be added.
remmers
response 2 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 15:56 UTC 2004

As voteadm, I'd appreciate some guidance from the board about how to
handle, procedurally, the three conflicting member proposals that are
now on the table.
ryan
response 3 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 16:46 UTC 2004

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naftee
response 4 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 17:20 UTC 2004

Yeah, that would be really simple, since none were made.
gull
response 5 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 18:31 UTC 2004

Do later proposals just supercede earlier ones?
other
response 6 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 18:50 UTC 2004

I'd say yes.  If conflicting proposals pass, the latest one supercedes 
the previous.  That seems straightforward, since essentially the same 
constituency is voting on all proposals, and the conflicts merely 
represent the change of mind of the collective.

I'm not sure what guidance you're asking for John.  Each proposal 
should be handled as a separate issue, and as long as the wording is 
sufficiently clear that the population understands what their votes 
support, then it is merely a matter of going from point A to point B to 
point C.  Of course, if there is no time limit for implementation built 
into a proposal, and there is a contravening proposal on the table, 
staff may be of a mind to delay implementation of proposal A until 
proposal B is decided upon...

(Of course, if proposal C passes, it will be too late to affect the 
processes of the others.  cmcgee may wish to replace her proposal with 
a bylaw modification proposal for suspension of rules under specific 
circumstances, but that's up to her.)
slynne
response 7 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 19:22 UTC 2004

Directions to my house:

208 N. Grove St
Ypsilanti
484-6852
(734)754-3773 - cell phone in case you get lost after Bruce has called 
in and the phone is tied up.

Go EAST on Cross Street from Depot Town. Turn RIGHT on N. Grove St. If 
you hit Prospect, you have gone to far. My house will be about 3 blocks 
down on the left just before the RR tracks. The house number is 
somewhat hard to see in the dark but my house is easy to find anyways. 
It is the house closest to the train tracks. There are no houses across 
the street. 

Another way to come is from Michigan Ave. If you go EAST from downtown 
Ypsilanti, you want to turn LEFT onto N. Grove St. It is just past the 
car wash with the giant American flag. There is a Kluck's Drive-in on 
the corner. My house is the first house on the right after you cross 
the railroad tracks. 

If anyone would like specific directions from a certain location, 
please either email me or request them here. 

gelinas
response 8 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 20:07 UTC 2004

(An interesting variant is proceeding east on Washtenaw.  Cross is one-way,
west bound, where it meets Washtenaw.  I can probably find an easy way
to Grove from that intersection, but can I find the _easiest_?)
slynne
response 9 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 20:13 UTC 2004

One can take Washtenaw east bound until it ends at Huron St. They they 
can turn left on Huron and then right on Cross. This puts them at Depot 
Town. There are signs along this route directing one to Depot Town
gelinas
response 10 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 20:25 UTC 2004

Thanks, Lynne.  :)
richard
response 11 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 21:57 UTC 2004

I don't think staff is going to effect any restoral, even a temporary one,
of valerie and jep's posts, unless the board votes to order them to do so.
So put it on the agenda and discuss it at least.
naftee
response 12 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 22:19 UTC 2004

HEY SLYNNE< DOES CROSS LIVE ON CROSS STREET?
willcome
response 13 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 23:04 UTC 2004

Thanks, S. Lynne!
gull
response 14 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 23:34 UTC 2004

Re resp:11: I actually don't think that's true.  I think if there were a 
member vote to the effect that responses should be restored, staff would 
do it.  I don't think it would have to come from the board.  I'd 
actually rather not have the board setting policy about this.
gelinas
response 15 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 23:57 UTC 2004

Further, the current proposals will not be voted on before the board meeting.
Therefore, any action the board could take in response to them would be
pre-mature.

It'll probably be a topic of discussion, but I don't think it needs to be on
the agenda because no formal action should be taken.

(For the grammar geeks among us, that last verb is an optative. ;)
willcome
response 16 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 00:03 UTC 2004

 ;)
jep
response 17 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 04:40 UTC 2004

I don't expect the Board will be making directive decisions about the 
item-deleting controversy.  The Board of Grex tends to follow user 
opinion rather than lead it.  As there are user proposals on the table 
right now, I expect the Board's role to be to observe what the users 
decide.

However, because of that controversy and my interest in it, I really 
regret I can't make it to this Board meeting.
happyboy
response 18 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 08:56 UTC 2004

bummer, i was hoping you'd steal my cookbook back from slynne
and mail it to me.  :(
remmers
response 19 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 14:55 UTC 2004

Re #6:  I guess the main guidance I'm asking for is whether the votes
should be taken in series or in parallel.
cross
response 20 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 16:40 UTC 2004

Parallel.  It's unlikely that two conflicting proposals are both going to
be passed by a majority of the membership.
naftee
response 21 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 20:48 UTC 2004

Parallel.  That way there's no danger of the lights going out all at once.
janc
response 22 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 12 02:22 UTC 2004

Proposal A:  restore JEP's items and Valerie's items
Proposal B:  don't restore JEP's items

Vote simultaneously.  Where there is a conflict the more specific
proposal rules.  Thus:

A passes and B passes:   restore only Valerie's item.
A passes and B fails:    restore both items
A fails  and B passes:   restore neither
A fails  and B fails:    restore only JEP's item.

This is sensible enough, but kind of confusing for voters.  It would be
nicer if it could be restructured into two separate votes, one on JEP's
items on on Valerie's items.
jp2
response 23 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 12 02:37 UTC 2004

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janc
response 24 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 12 03:07 UTC 2004

Explain your logic on the "A fail/B fail" case.

General law is that a more specific rule overrides a more general one. 
And you can't write a law that says no other law may override it.  If
you could, proposal B could be written the same way.
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