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Grex > Coop13 > #75: Member Initative: Restore the Murdered Items | |
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jp2
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Member Initative: Restore the Murdered Items
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Jan 9 19:12 UTC 2004 |
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willcome
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response 1 of 424:
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Jan 9 19:51 UTC 2004 |
I vote yes.
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gull
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response 2 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:20 UTC 2004 |
I agree in principle, but I think this is a touchy issue since valerie
is no longer around to scribble her responses if she wants to. Since
she's scribbled all her other responses, I think we should take that as
a sign of her intentions and scribble her responses in the restored
items.
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flem
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response 3 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:23 UTC 2004 |
Astonishingly, I'm in agreement with jp2 and willcome, both at once.
The sky must be falling.
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richard
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response 4 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:31 UTC 2004 |
I think users should only be allowed to scribble new posts. If they posted
something a year ago, its part of grex's history, and there is no guarantee
that the other users in that item are still around. In which case, you could
have old users whose own comments could well be taken out of context by the
scribbling and they might not be around to better explain what they were
responding to. It is not fair.
Everything, every response and every item Valerie deleted should be restored
via backups and then she should only be allowed to scribble stuff that was
posted a reasonable amount of time (six months? a year?) ago.
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krj
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response 5 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:36 UTC 2004 |
Heh, what happens if this passes and no staff member is willing to
implement it?
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richard
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response 6 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:45 UTC 2004 |
How can users feel comfortable posting on Grex, if staff will not protect the
integrity of their posts in the future. And by that I mean not just
protecting what users had said, but protecting the context of what they said.
Grex is allowing its own history to be revised if it will not firmly protect
its old items from this sort of butchery. Why even keep the old conferences
and items around if users can do what Valerie did and go back and cut holes
in them?
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other
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response 7 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:48 UTC 2004 |
5: We should not attempt to cross that bridge unless we actually
come to it.
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jp2
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response 8 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:51 UTC 2004 |
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richard
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response 9 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:58 UTC 2004 |
p
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other
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response 10 of 424:
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Jan 9 20:58 UTC 2004 |
You can accept changes without resetting the clock.
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jp2
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response 11 of 424:
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Jan 9 21:01 UTC 2004 |
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other
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response 12 of 424:
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Jan 9 21:06 UTC 2004 |
Right then. In that case, you're wasting your time because it will
never pass, as written. There are too many people here who would
rather wait for a more reasonable proposal than force the re-posting
of text which users explicitly and rightfully removed for their own
perfectly legitimate reasons, even if their methods were messy and
collateral damage was (at least temporarily) sustained.
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jp2
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response 13 of 424:
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Jan 9 21:10 UTC 2004 |
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jep
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response 14 of 424:
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Jan 9 21:48 UTC 2004 |
I urge a "no" vote for this proposal. Additionally, item:76 has a more
limited proposal which would conflict with this one. I think anyone
who reads this needs to make sure they read that item, too.
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richard
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response 15 of 424:
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Jan 9 21:58 UTC 2004 |
Grex doesn't allow editing of items. Why? I was always under the impression
that was some old debate back when Grex started, and it was decided that if
users were allowed to edit their items, they'd risk taking other people's
responses out of context by doing so. But scribbling an item can do the same
damage, and if you scribble an old item where the old users are no longer
there to scribble, or clarify their old posts, how is that fair?
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other
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response 16 of 424:
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Jan 9 22:19 UTC 2004 |
It's not fair that I only had one set of grandparents while I was
growing up. If you can fix that, I'll fix the scribble problem.
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gull
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response 17 of 424:
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Jan 9 22:26 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:4: An odd position from someone who's advocated deleting entire
old conferences.
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willcome
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response 18 of 424:
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Jan 9 22:55 UTC 2004 |
YEAH< RICHARD! WHAT KIND (OR SHOULD I SAY MEAN?!?!? ) OF JEW SCHEME ARE YOU
TRYING TO PULL ON US?
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keesan
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response 19 of 424:
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Jan 9 23:52 UTC 2004 |
I keep seeing the most recent response in an item cut off, for instance gull's
response ends at the end of a line in 'deleting entire'
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tod
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response 20 of 424:
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Jan 9 23:52 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 21 of 424:
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Jan 9 23:54 UTC 2004 |
I vote yes.
The count is at 6.
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aruba
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response 22 of 424:
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Jan 10 00:53 UTC 2004 |
Richard, of course it's not fair. Life is not fair. Some really bad things
happened this week, and they were unfair. That doesn't mean we can undo
them without doing a lot more harm.
I wish all of this hadn't happened. But I don't have the heart to force
John's or Valerie's items to be put back up, at least not now. So I'll be
voting no on this proposal. We need to all calm down and get a little
perspective before we try to fix anything.
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gull
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response 23 of 424:
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Jan 10 01:09 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:19: There's probably a mismatch between the actual number of
lines of your terminal, and what Grex things your screen size is.
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cmcgee
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response 24 of 424:
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Jan 10 02:19 UTC 2004 |
I'm voting no.
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