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Grex > Coop13 > #300: AOL is blocking mail from Cyberspace. | |
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trh
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AOL is blocking mail from Cyberspace.
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Dec 30 17:06 UTC 2005 |
When I tried to mail to a few AOL e-mail addresses I got the following:
554- AOL does not accept e-mail transactions from IP addresses which
554- generate complaints or transmit unsolicited bulk e-mail.
554 Connecting IP: 216.86.77.194
How do we go about lifting this blockade?
Ahmet Toprak
http://www.KKUP.org/toprak.html
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keesan
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response 1 of 11:
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Dec 30 20:23 UTC 2005 |
See the item in agora about why spamcop has put grex on their RBL blacklist,
because of spammers sending spam from here. Other ISPs besides AOL also use
the RBL list. The staff is looking for ideas on how to stop outgoing spam.
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trh
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response 2 of 11:
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Jan 2 04:44 UTC 2006 |
This is ridiculous!
An outfit by the name of SORBS is listing us as sending spam, and they
want a "fine" of $50 to delist!
Read below what I got when I looked into what it takes to delisting us:
Ahmet Toprak
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Delisting 216.86.77.194 From the Spam Received Database
Removal from the SORBS Spammers database is not automatic, nor is it
free, you are required to pay a 'fine'.
SORBS does not like requiring a fine, however it has proved nessesary in
driving the message home, that you the users are responsible for what
you and your machines do on the Internet. This particually applies when
your machine is infected with a virus or trojan, getting infected with a
virus or trojan can enable your computer to be used in an illegal attack
on other computers and networks.
Many of you will complain indicating you didn't know, however if you
pass a Police speed camera at more than the speed limit, try explaining
to them that "you didn't know what the limit was", you will get the same
response from SORBS.
Think it's outrageous? Well we the administrators of the internet find
it outrageous that 15 year old children can hold Banking institutions
and major companies to ransom by using 1000's of infected machines from
around the world to flood networks, just because they feel like it.
We also think it is outrageous that known people are able to use
infected machines to defeat controls put in place specifically to stop
spam, to fill our email boxes with so much rubbish that our servers
become useless for what we need them for. Even more outrageous is that
they can drive around in luxury cars, maybe own a yatch, and live in
exclusive multi-million dollar houses by stealing the use of these
machines.
Putting an unpatched, unfirewalled Microsoft Windows machine on the
Internet is irresponsible in the highest degree, installing a proxy
server and leaving it open for the world to use is both foolish and
irresponsible, yet people are doing these things every day, and no one
is telling them they can't or that it is wrong.
The 'fine' is US $50.00 and is designed to be small enough to so that
the home user will think twice about getting listed a second time, and
small enough to be a 'right royal pain in the butt' to any large
company. The idea being, that whether you are a multi-national company
or a single home user, you will think twice about getting relisted for
any reason.
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bhoward
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response 3 of 11:
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Jan 2 08:53 UTC 2006 |
It's blackmail. Even if we paid off this blackmail, and implemented
a perfect filter against the spammers, all it would take is one
moderately motivated and pathologically minded jerk to get us
relisted by sending a mail or two to any one of their spamtrap
addresses.
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steve
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response 4 of 11:
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Jan 2 11:16 UTC 2006 |
It is indeed blackmail, one that I hope we will never pay.
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mcnally
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response 5 of 11:
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Jan 2 15:56 UTC 2006 |
The ironic thing about AOL blocking our mail is that the
spammers/phishers who have sent out these recent batches
of problem mail are logging into Grex from AOL IP addresses.
I hadn't heard of the SORBS policy, but I guess when I get
back to Ketchikan I'll reconfigure the mail server at our
ISP to not pay attention to SORBS any more.
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keesan
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response 6 of 11:
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Jan 2 16:42 UTC 2006 |
Can we report AOL to spamcop?
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tod
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response 7 of 11:
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Jan 3 00:37 UTC 2006 |
Grex IS a spammer ISP. Like it or not, spammers are allowed to send mass
amounts of mail in a small timeframe from here. The $50 may seem excessive,
but it surely means one of two things: You fix the prob or you dont
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ric
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response 8 of 11:
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Jan 4 14:26 UTC 2006 |
Actually, the AOL blocking mentioned in #0 is unrelated to RBL lists.
Basically, every time an AOL user gets an email, if they think it is spam,
they click on a "This is spam" button. This reports the email to AOL's
automated system, and the IP address from which it came is reported in AOL's
database.
It's a rolling system... if the "complaints" stop, then after a short while,
AOL stops blocking you based on those complaints.
Thankfully, AOL offers something called a "Feedback Loop" which notifies you,
as the responsible party for a particular IP address every time a complaint
is generated - and I believe it sends you a copy of the mail or the mail
headers.
This allows postmaters to help determine which users are actually causing the
spam.
I had to do this at one point on my server because - as it turned out - one
of my customers had a compromised version of phpBB
You can find out more info about the feedback loop here:
http://postmaster.info.aol.com/fbl/fblinfo.html
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steve
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response 9 of 11:
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Jan 6 00:57 UTC 2006 |
I sent another email to AOL today about this problem, with listings
of when the spam weasels were on, etc. I found better (well, hopefully
better) addresses to send this to. We'll see if it does any good.
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tsty
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response 10 of 11:
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Jan 14 06:38 UTC 2006 |
.. but if aol is rejecting email from grex ... ahhh, another account. shmart!
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jesuit
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response 11 of 11:
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May 17 02:16 UTC 2006 |
TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE
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