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goerdel
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Hackers (More tricks)
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Nov 1 02:13 UTC 2003 |
cross has been using his staff powers to repeatedly harass me. Please excise
him from all official, unofficial, and semijudicary positions on Grex.
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cross
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response 1 of 132:
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Nov 1 02:42 UTC 2003 |
Filling up user partitions, denying use of the system to other users, has
consequences. Trying to pin it on other users has consequences. I hate
to have to be the one to break it to you (actually, it's a pain in the ass
to be the one to break it to you).
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scott
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response 2 of 132:
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Nov 1 03:59 UTC 2003 |
I'd side with cross on this one.
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cross
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response 3 of 132:
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Nov 1 04:38 UTC 2003 |
(FYI, dah just admited his actions on mnet party.)
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nafteee
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response 4 of 132:
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Nov 1 05:03 UTC 2003 |
cross is a fucking moron. Not only does he ban users which are clearly
different, he uses the excuse that they come from the same host, when clearly
GreX does not log the full hostname that a user comes from, if the hostname
is too long, which in my case it is. Just because two users share the same
ISP does not mean they are the same users. What a fucking moron.
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dsaasd
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response 5 of 132:
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Nov 1 05:58 UTC 2003 |
I am being mass-splatted-banned from GreX. I don't know what the staff is
trying to prove.
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cross
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response 6 of 132:
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Nov 1 06:23 UTC 2003 |
I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just trying to keep you from abusing
grex's resources. Actually, the system right now is okay; you can access
the conferences via the web interface, but can't login interactively. This
limits the amount of damage you can do to the system.
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keesan
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response 7 of 132:
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Nov 1 09:41 UTC 2003 |
Thanks, cross.
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cross
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response 8 of 132:
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Nov 1 17:55 UTC 2003 |
Sure thing. Unfortunately, it's not clear I can plug all the holes
he comes in from.
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jp2
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response 9 of 132:
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Nov 1 21:01 UTC 2003 |
This response has been erased.
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mynxcat
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response 10 of 132:
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Nov 1 22:06 UTC 2003 |
Please post excerpts
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triluda
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response 11 of 132:
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Nov 2 00:04 UTC 2003 |
Dude, cross, dah is not naftee nor is he asddsa; dah is polytarp and asddsa
and naftee is soup; they are 2 different people.
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davel
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response 12 of 132:
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Nov 2 00:57 UTC 2003 |
Um, right.
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mynxcat
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response 13 of 132:
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Nov 2 03:25 UTC 2003 |
triluda's right. polytarp=dah=david a hoffman.
asddsa=naftee=nafteee=soup.
If ou paid attention to their posts and party comments, you'd know.
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triluda
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response 14 of 132:
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Nov 2 05:09 UTC 2003 |
that is odd i told him the same thing last night about paying attention to
their post; but, he just jetted off.
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other
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response 15 of 132:
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Nov 2 05:35 UTC 2003 |
As a board member, I'll freely admit a bias toward staff when it
comes to evaluating commentary on their actions in response to abuse
of system resources. If a mistake is made, I expect staff will
amend it as soon as it can be verified. As for complaints of
harassment by staff, my comment is: If you've shown a history of
specious complaints or spurious charges then show me the evidence or
you'll get no support from me.
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salad
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response 16 of 132:
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Nov 2 23:48 UTC 2003 |
re 9 You should read the series of writes cross and myself exchanged. It
started with cross saying something like, "I'll give you a cookie if you
promise to be nice".
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cross
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response 17 of 132:
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Nov 3 02:20 UTC 2003 |
Nonsense. I told him I'd give him his account back if he said he
wouldn't damage the system. The response was something on the lines of,
``CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO FIX MY TV!'' I concluded after a couple more
exchanges he wasn't serious about getting anything unlocked, but just
wanted to be irritating.
This is a hard issue; Freedom of speech is a rough thing. It means, in
exchange for the right to express one's own ideas, periodically one has to
put up with idiots who want to abuse the system for kicks, who in effect
take advantage of the right to say whatever they want to say things just
meant to annoy, who push the limits just because they can. Sometimes the
latter is good; sometimes shocking people out of a complacent existence
can be beneficia, if that complacency is itself bad. But sometimes, it's
just irritating, and while it's an irritation we have to put up with,
but that doesn't oblige me, or anyone else, to facilitate it.
I locked asddsa's account because I had reason to suspect he was the same
person as dah. Both their comments in the bbs (I infrequently see both
them in party) struck me as juvenille and immature. Their harassment of
staff was annoying. Their continuing complaint about polytarp's account
being locked was just stupid. Forgive me if I couldn't tell Tweedle-Dee
from Tweedle-Dum.
A few people I trust have since said that asddsa/naftee/soup/salad
isn't polytarp/dah/scholar. Okay, fine. However, I'm not going to play
a series of games with naftee over getting his account back; freedom
of speech doesn't entitle you to a specific login name. It's clear
naftee, or whatever his name is, knows how to run newuser, and it's
clear he's both figured out a way to access the BBS via the web, and
login interactively. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't been censored,
and he can get his other accounts back after they've been expired in the
normal reap cycle. I have better things to do than (a) fix naftee's TV,
and (b) engage in juvenille debate over this or that.
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salad
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response 18 of 132:
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Nov 3 03:59 UTC 2003 |
You're arguments are so silly. Response #16 is an excellent paraphrase of
what you wrote. An occaisional user of GreX suddenly finds his account locked
and most of the IPs he comes from banned, and a staff member writes to him
that he's abused the system and'll only give the account (and access) back
if he promises to do this or that. And then this staff member wonders why
this user is so mad at him. Well, gee golly, don't think to hard.
Hmm, let's look at these "reasons". You say naftee is childish and immature.
Thanks for your opinion. You've seen either dah or asddsa harass the staff.
But wait a minute, you can't tell the difference between the two. Better
attribute it to some unknown "person" who's somehow two different people, even
though many GreXers can tell the difference at first glance. I guess you just
don't have "time". Oh, and that argument about polytarp's account? Glad to
know you think it's stupid, but other people do have concerns over their
privacy and identities. But obviously you've shown that identities mean
little to you.
Those are pretty weak reasons to lock an account. Plus, the evidence is
purely circumstantial, for to show any real technical evidence would throw
any reason for the locked account out of the water. So please, feel free to
continue to splat accounts that are owned by "annoying" and "childish" users.
Who's next? sabre? jp2?
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willcome
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response 19 of 132:
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Nov 3 04:42 UTC 2003 |
I fully agree with asddsa's essay.
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jaklumen
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response 20 of 132:
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Nov 3 06:44 UTC 2003 |
of course you do, tweedle-dum.
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mary
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response 21 of 132:
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Nov 3 11:41 UTC 2003 |
Cross, a number of comments you made in #17 sound like you're
taking this personal, and the response is very un-Grexlike.
We don't ban people here. If someone is intentionally breaking
one of our few rules, then there is reason lock an account and
make an attempt to find out the issue. You seem to be going
beyond that here.
I hope other staff members are watching and, if they agree,
ask you to set away from this matter.
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scott
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response 22 of 132:
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Nov 3 13:44 UTC 2003 |
I think it's pretty extreme... but I don't think cross is out of bounds on
this. We do site-block on occasion.
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triluda
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response 23 of 132:
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Nov 3 14:05 UTC 2003 |
he is way out line on this. he also reference time as a factor for banning
asddsa and dah; time as in i don't have any to look into the matter. what the
hell is that about? perhaps if he spent less time splatting accounts he could
have found out earlier soup and poly are different people. he should step away
from the matter.
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mynxcat
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response 24 of 132:
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Nov 3 16:45 UTC 2003 |
I agree with cross on this. polytarp and naftee have been annoying,
and it is easy to think they're the same person. Dan's not the first
person here to think so, and will not be the last. The only difference
is that he locked naftee's account, thinking it was polytarp. Simple
enough mistake, that would have been easily corrected if two 17 year
olds would behave like 17 year olds and not 6 year olds. Behaviour
that I usually ignore, but could definitely irritate some people.
But I'm not staff, or a member of the board. Feel free to ignore me.
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