response 1 of 72:

Aug 8 07:47 UTC 2005

i think jason and i have the right to have a tel war late at night when  no
one is here and no one is fighting for resources.

i also think you are a gay little bitch but that is beside the point. 

neither jason nor i stopped any of the 10 users from doing anything they would
need to do.

response 3 of 72:

Aug 8 18:27 UTC 2005

Other than being childish (?) or annoying (?), what does that ps output imply
about affect on grex, really?

response 5 of 72:

Aug 8 20:29 UTC 2005

that's why you aren't currently on staff, scott. secondly you don't have the
temperment as a mcnally and you sir are altogether useless, scott.
so in short mcnally rules and scott suck dick and ryan is cry baby bitch.

response 7 of 72:

Aug 8 21:03 UTC 2005

 You're not really making much of a case in your own defense, are you?
 I believe you've got the potential to act like an intelligent, mature
 person.  It'd help things a lot if you decided to exercise that potential.

 Being curious about how the system works and wanting to learn are good
 things.  If it turns out that you ARE harassing users who don't welcome
 your tels, that's going to be a bad thing.  I'm currently inclined to
 defend your "right" (for lack of a better word) to explore the system
 but if I conclude that you're seriously harassing people I assure you
 that my sympathy would be with them, rather than you..

 In the meantime, nothing anybody has said yet has demonstrated to me that
 you're causing any serious harassment or disruption and you've been polite
 and responsive when we've talked about things like your runaway CPU job
 the other day.  I hope that things will continue on that basis and that you
 continue to enjoy grex by learning about the system.  Please don't put me
 in a position of having to protect other users from your experiments.

response 11 of 72:

Aug 9 02:40 UTC 2005

Yeah ; it's clear that jason decides to wait seven hours before complaining
in the system problems item.

response 13 of 72:

Aug 9 06:08 UTC 2005

Re. 10:  Does it?  How do we know jason didn't originally consent to the
tels, and only later, as a way to get triluda in trouble, claim he objected
to it?

response 15 of 72:

Aug 9 12:34 UTC 2005

No such file or directory

response 19 of 72:

Aug 13 18:24 UTC 2005

either that or you quit spamin' my email from another shell account, i already
have seen how childish you can be about your party bot, so i know you aren't
beyound reproach. perhaps you can have your mother come in here and defend
you on the fact you didn't send me spam from #shell.be

response 21 of 72:

Aug 14 00:06 UTC 2005

re #17:
> Attached below is a harassing email sent to me by triludaa.  This type of
> behavior is completely unacceptable.  Again I ask, why is this person still
> allowed to come here? 

What do you propose we do?  Lock his account and shut down newuser?  Forever?

The bottom-line answer to your question "why is this person still allowed to
come here?" is this:  Grex runs an open system.  We let *everyone* come here.
We do hope that people observe a modicum of decorum but so far nothing anyone
has credibly accused him of amounts to more than petty harassment and poor
taste -- not enough to be worth compromising the system's goals of open access.


> All he does is cause trouble for everybody.

Curiously he seems to mostly cause trouble for you and jason and based on
his responses to your allegations I'd say he makes a reasonable case that the
trouble-causing is mutual.  If you kids insist on making a stink that bothers
the other users then somebody from staff (not me -- I don't believe banning
users is effective) may take it on themselves to act but with the mutual
accusations that have been made don't assume that you'll be happy with the
results if that occurs.  

Meanwhile if you want to e-mail me privately I would be happy to show you
how to use tools already available on Grex to:

  a)  block triludaa from sending tels or writes to you
  b)  block triludaa from sending e-mail to you via an e-mail blacklist
  c)  block everyone except pre-arranged senders from sending e-mail to
      you via an e-mail whitelist.
  d)  block response from triludaa in party and bbs.


The system's more than big enough for both of you if you'll just drop your
juvenile little feud and with a little bit of effort either one of you can
end it unilaterally.  Why not do that?

response 23 of 72:

Aug 14 01:29 UTC 2005

 Again I find Mcnally a bless for grex. Not because he appears to support me,
because he doesn't he supports a free system and has a level head. This staff
memeber (Mcnally) is a role model for all want to be staff for grex. I have
not complained on anyone, nor have i asked for staff to contact the other
shell that the emails came from, i am not seeking their help on this matter
because I realize ryan is being a child. I also realize I have the right and
the ability to take care of my party, bbs, mail and tels on grex and shouldn't
trouble staff for something I can do. I also don't have this lock and reap
account theory that seemed to be big at some time on grex. I for one will drop
the issue and not reply back to ryan who appears to only be childish to me.
I do say, however, if you wish to kill my account you should at least get my
saved log on both jason and ryan which includes all tels and mails.
good day to you ryan.