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Grex > Coop13 > #256: Aren't we, the users and members of Grex, tired of this nonsense? | |
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thecensored
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Aren't we, the users and members of Grex, tired of this nonsense?
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Mar 22 22:53 UTC 2005 |
Item 6 in this conferences, which is now frozen wbut was previously thawed,
has been vandalized, presumably by valerie or her ghost incarnate. Several
responses, from several users, among them naftee, dcat, scholar, and our own
lovable keesan, have been chopped off the end. This doesn't show up in the
item itself anymore, which suggests the vandal tried to cover their tracks
by deleting the responses directly in the file, rather than going through
picospan, fronttalk, or backtalk, all of which would leave the headers of the
responses intact as well as keeping thorough logs.
The question, then, is whether or not Grex is going to continue its persistent
habit of allowing staff censorship of users.
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bru
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response 1 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:15 UTC 2005 |
did those responses deal with Grex cfadm business?
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scholar
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response 2 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:17 UTC 2005 |
They did, though, even if they didn't, that fact ought not be used to justify
their censorship; there is no reason to delete responses simply because they
are off topic, and it is Grex's long-standing and unviolated custom to act
in accordance with this.
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naftee
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response 3 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:23 UTC 2005 |
Indeed, the deletion of those responses can even be said to cause Picospan
to balk:
Item 6: Cfadm's Log Item
Entered by Walter Cramer (i) (cfadm) on Sun, Dec 20, 1998 (13:56):
<item is frozen>
There aren't that many responses!
Response not possible. Pass?
Regardless, I thank scholar for bringing to the attention of all GreX
users the censorshop that has befallen including but not limited to
myself, keesan and scholar.
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naftee
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response 4 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:26 UTC 2005 |
re 1 Many of those responses dealt with thanking the cfadm, which, as many
of the friendly (but tired) GreX staffers know, does not come that often.
Having my "thank you" response deleted, I belive, is a kick in the face.
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bru
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response 5 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:32 UTC 2005 |
Perhaps I should rephrase that question. Were those responses entered by
staff dealing with cfadm business?
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scholar
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response 6 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:43 UTC 2005 |
To my knowledge, the people who entered the items were not staff members, but
there is nothing in the way Grex has operated to even begin to suggest that
it is acceptable to censor responses simply because the people who wrote them
were not staff members. Too, it cannot be claimed that the responses were
in anyway harmful to Grex; quite to the contrary, they were eminently useful,
though, of course, this usefulness has been lost.
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naftee
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response 7 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:47 UTC 2005 |
Indeed, there is *nothing* in item 6 which even *suggests* that it's a
"staff-only" item. Finding this item thawed, you can hardly blame the various
users or responding to it. However, were the item thawed *but* with the
direction that its intent wwere staff-only, I'm sure the many users who would
have responded to it would have respected the rule and refrained from
responding. Note that neither of these cases give the staff the explicit
right to delete the content of the item via the raw file.
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naftee
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response 8 of 25:
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Mar 22 23:55 UTC 2005 |
here is circumstantial evidence that the raw file was modified:
The last response in item 6 is as follows:
#74 of 74: by Walter Cramer (i) (cfadm) on Tue, Mar 22, 2005 (07:23):
Added the standard items, updated the aliases in /bbs/conflist, and
opened agora53 (aka Spring 2005 Agora) to the public.
However if we have a look at the directory entry:
-r--r--r-- 1 cfadm software 19364 Mar 22 17:25 /bbs/coop13/_6
We can clEARLY see that something fish-y happened to-day to that item.
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scholar
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response 9 of 25:
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Mar 23 00:11 UTC 2005 |
cfadm Tue Mar 22 17:26:37 2005 PicoSpan file owner
One minute after the vandalism occured?
Looks like we have a suspect.
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scholar
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response 10 of 25:
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Mar 23 00:12 UTC 2005 |
i Tue Mar 22 17:30:27 2005 Walter Cramer
Doesn't look like cfadm was hacked, does it?
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aruba
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response 11 of 25:
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Mar 23 04:51 UTC 2005 |
Item 6 looks OK to me. What makes you think something is missing?
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naftee
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response 12 of 25:
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Mar 23 04:55 UTC 2005 |
Because I logged in a couple times and responded to that item a couple times.
Suddenly the responses entered by both myself and some other users are
missing. Unfortunately, we not only think, we know :(
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scholar
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response 13 of 25:
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Mar 23 04:58 UTC 2005 |
Re. 11: Yes. Both naftee and me, as well as a number of other Grexists,
including keesan, all entered responses in the item. They have since been
deleted, which is what the error message posted by soup indicates. The error
message, unfortunetly, only comes up for those who read the item after the
responses but before the deletion. That would make what happened more
apparent.
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naftee
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response 14 of 25:
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Mar 23 05:12 UTC 2005 |
dude. i've never been "soup" on GreX.
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scholar
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response 15 of 25:
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Mar 23 05:13 UTC 2005 |
You're soup everywhere.
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naftee
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response 16 of 25:
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Mar 23 05:15 UTC 2005 |
right. Just like you're sa everywhere.
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albaugh
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response 17 of 25:
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Mar 23 18:06 UTC 2005 |
[a twit converses with himself as if he's actually 2 different people]
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janc
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response 18 of 25:
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Mar 29 14:06 UTC 2005 |
I don't know why so many people think scholar/polytarp/* and naftee are the
same person. I guess people's eye glaze over similarly when either one posts,
making it difficult to notice the differences.
I don't doubt that they responded to item 6 and that those responses have been
deleted. I don't know who deleted them. Going by my personal moral values,
I'd say that deleting them was one of several possible perfectly sensible
responses to the problem, and not in any way a problem. In light of Grex's
"every word is sacred" habit, I'm a bit surprised that anyone chose that
option, as it was sure to inspire a stupid item like this one.
Probably whoever deleted it should say they did so so they can recieve the
customary flogging and get on with life.
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naftee
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response 19 of 25:
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Mar 29 14:23 UTC 2005 |
beat him, daddy
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bru
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response 20 of 25:
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Mar 29 22:59 UTC 2005 |
8 to the bar!
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marcvh
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response 21 of 25:
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Mar 29 23:39 UTC 2005 |
Well, I suppose that most people know that there are two of them, but
when a new account is created it just doesn't seem worth the effort to
figure out which moron is which this time since the difference doesn't
seem particularly important.
If you look at the history of antisocial actions, the dyad seems one of
the more problematic structures. If you have just one loser then you
are unlikely to see much of a result, but if you have two losers then
they can reinforce one another and egg each other on to greater and
greater depths of retardation. Consider Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold,
or Eric and Lyle Menendez, or Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte. It's kind of
like that but with fewer guns and more transsexual hookers.
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scholar
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response 22 of 25:
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Mar 29 23:49 UTC 2005 |
AND MORE BRAZILLIANS
ahAHA NO MORE LIKE MARCVH IS A FAGGOT
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tod
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response 23 of 25:
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Mar 30 00:35 UTC 2005 |
Look at Danny Bonnaducci and Rip Taylor.
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aruba
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response 24 of 25:
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Mar 30 15:43 UTC 2005 |
Nicely put, Marc.
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