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aruba
Cyberspace Communications finances for August 2004 Mark Unseen   Sep 7 21:50 UTC 2004

Here is the treasurer's report on Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances 
through August 31st, 2004.

Beginning Balance     $3,580.31

Credits                 $150.00         Member contributions
                          $2.00         Payment for a Grex Handbook
                          $1.41         Interest on our savings account
                   ------------
                        $153.41

Debits                   $84.43         Pumpkin Rent for September
                         $61.02         Electricity for August
                         $91.54         Phone Bill
                        $135.00         DSL August 15 through September 15
                          $3.99         Paypal fees (income = $92)
                   ------------
                        $375.98

Ending Balance        $3,357.74

Our current balance breaks down as follows:

$3,101.20               General Fund
  $173.99               Silly Hat Fund
   $60.00               Spare Parts Fund
   $22.55               Infrastructure Fund

The money is distributed like this:

  $475.30   Checking account
$2,882.44   Savings account earning 0.55% interest annually

We had no new members in August.  We are currently at 73 members, 65 
of whom are paid through at least September 15th.  (The others expired 
recently and are in a grace period.)

Notes:

- I was away for most of August.  Thanks to gelinas for paying the 
bills.

- I moved $500 from the savings account to the checking account.

Thanks to everyone who contributed in August:

bookie, mooncat, n8rxs, witling, and one person who didn't give his 
login.

If you or your institution would like to become a member of Grex, it 
only costs $6/month or $60/year.  Send money to:

Cyberspace Communications
P. O. Box 4432
Ann Arbor, MI 48106-4432

If you pay by cash or money order, please include a photocopy of some 
form of ID.  I can't add you to the rolls without ID.  (If you pay 
with a personal check that has your name pre-printed on it, we 
consider that a good enough ID.)  Type !support or see 
http://www.cyberspace.org/member.html for more info.
80 responses total.
albaugh
response 1 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 8 20:13 UTC 2004

The erosion would seem to be continuing...
aruba
response 2 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 01:59 UTC 2004

Yes, we're not doing well, financially.  Becuse I was out of town for most
of August, I didn't send a lot of reminders I would have sent otherwise,
which accounts for some of the loss of income.  That should carry over to
September.  But even so, the membership numbers are lower than they've been
since 1994.
tod
response 3 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 15:42 UTC 2004

The sporadic downtimes probably haven't helped much, either.
cyklone
response 4 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 21:32 UTC 2004

The "Personal favors for favored persons" vote didn't help any, either. 
Why the hell would a non-favored person donate to fund someone else's
personal playpen?


albaugh
response 5 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 16:21 UTC 2004

cyklone, blow yourself out, and give it a rest, already.
tod
response 6 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 16:50 UTC 2004

re #4
Even though there are some hobbyhorse hogs, I don't subscribe to the idea that
Grex is solely their property.  The vandalism of Jan Wolter's girlfriend was
unfortunate but I try not to let that rain on the idea that Grex is worth
saving from decay both administratively and hardware wise.
albaugh
response 7 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 16:59 UTC 2004

The problem may be that something, though worthy, which is not accessible on
a reliable basis might not survive.
tod
response 8 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 17:17 UTC 2004

Maybe Cyberspace Inc should consider going colo in order to keep the
membership from being shut out and turned away.
aruba
response 9 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 17:28 UTC 2004

I think that most of the board and staff are willing to consider colo at
this point, if we can find a good enough deal.  The last time we looked into
it, it was going to cost more than what we pay now, which is hard to
swallow.
tod
response 10 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 17:39 UTC 2004

What about colo on the host's hardware?
slynne
response 11 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 17:58 UTC 2004

Is that more expensive?
cross
response 12 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 18:20 UTC 2004

Regarding #9; Well, wait a sec; colo space providing vastly more than
grex needs was going to cost a lot more.  I suspect that colo supporting
just what we need to be significantly less expensive.
mooncat
response 13 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 18:36 UTC 2004

re #12- that would be wonderful- if we can find it.
mary
response 14 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 20:07 UTC 2004

Or we could move the community to an forum-hosting entity, drop the 
hardware, drop our software, drop insurance and rental space and 
have no need for volunteer staff other than those fairwitnessing the 
conferences.  Of course we'd also be dropping dial-in capability and 
access to unix utilites and disk space.

Ultimately, I see this in Grex's future.
tod
response 15 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 20:24 UTC 2004

M-Net is colo
What's Grex's excuse?
mfp
response 16 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 20:38 UTC 2004

Re. 14:  Why are you a pessimist?
mary
response 17 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 20:52 UTC 2004

I'm not a pessimist.  Grex was configured the way it was when it 
first opened in 1991 because that's what we needed to be and could 
pull off.  Lots of changes since then.  It's not doom and gloom to 
recognize that and be willing to adjust to changing times, needs and 
available support.

I'm actually quite positive about the community and feel we'll 
survive even if the context changes.
tod
response 18 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 22:23 UTC 2004

re #17
Ditto
cyklone
response 19 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 00:44 UTC 2004

Re #5: Is that the best answer you can come up with? What a weak mind you
must have. Your mother must be quite proud.
krj
response 20 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 12 15:19 UTC 2004

I would have to disagree with Mary on the idea of turning Grex into 
just another web forum, with no unix access.   My observation from 
party is that the few new people we're getting came here originally
looking for a "free Unix shell."  A tiny percentage of those 
people are interested in community and communication, and that's where
the new users who stick around are coming from.  
mfp
response 21 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 12 16:38 UTC 2004

I know I wouldn't be here if Grex had been a web forum when I arrived.
mary
response 22 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 12 17:37 UTC 2004

This response has been erased.

mary
response 23 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 12 17:51 UTC 2004

Re: #20  They can come here *thrilled* to find unix access but if 
they aren't skilled in unix system administration and willing to 
volunteer and chunk of time, well, we still have a problem.

Chipping in with support would also be nice.

 
mfp
response 24 of 80: Mark Unseen   Sep 12 21:06 UTC 2004

(I have repeatedly offered to chip in!)
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