response 1 of 31:

Jun 1 22:40 UTC 2004

the ID rule is stupid.

response 3 of 31:

Jun 2 22:15 UTC 2004

Then you both must be blissful.

response 5 of 31:

Jun 10 17:45 UTC 2004

Greg, here my the standard answer.

There are two reasons Grex requires ID from its members:

1. While we are very comfortable allowing anonymous users access to Grex,
we are not comfortable unleashing them on the rest of the Internet.  It
would be irresponsible of the Grex administration to allow people we can't
identify to telnet through Grex to other systems, so we require ID from
everyone we allow to do that. 

2. Cyberspace Communications is required by the state of Michigan to
maintain an up-to-date list of members.  Implied in this requirement is
that we make sure no two memberships are held by the same person.  So we
require ID to connect accounts with real people and make sure no one has
the ability to vote twice in Grex elections. 

response 9 of 31:

Jun 11 03:50 UTC 2004

Re #7: During the brief period in 2000 when we accepted Credit cards as
ID, we had a number of chargebacks as a result of people who used stolen
credit cards to try to gain access to Grex.  The obvious implication of
that, and the fact that we have had almost none since, is that there are
people who would like to use Grex's internet services for nefarious
purposes, but the barrier of providing ID prevents them from doing so.

My understanding is that the difference between a corporation organized on
a "membership" basis and one organized on a "stock" basis is that
memberships are one-per-person, and shares need not be.  If you've got a
reference to a decision saying that some membership corporations allow
people to hold more than one membership, and that that's not in conflict
with state law, please cite it.  (Of course that doesn't mean Grex's
policy isn't still firmly one-membership-per-person.  *That* was firmly
decided in discussion here in coop, which discussion didn't reference
state law at all.)

response 11 of 31:

Jun 11 04:27 UTC 2004

The evidence seems clear that a lot more people are willing to use stolen
credit cards than are willing to send Grex fake ID.

response 15 of 31:

Jun 13 03:06 UTC 2004

Yes; forget about the fact that Cyberspace Communications of GreX is losing
money because people like you continue to enforce a rule which has shown to
be both antiquated and stupid.

response 17 of 31:

Jun 13 04:09 UTC 2004

Re #13: Do most people have cable and DSL connections in Indonesia, or
India, or Bulgaria?  I won't argue that Grex's connection has been stable
lately, but I question the assertion that you can get the services Grex
reserves for members for free elsewhere on the net.  Can you name a site
that lets unverified people sign on for free and telnet through?  (I don't
really know if such exists, so I'm really asking, not posturing.)

I also don't know exactly what Michigan law says about multiple memberships.
Can you cite a Michigan corporation which is organized on a membership basis
and allows one person to hold more than one membership?

There is copious documentation of the discussion on Grex of the question of
whether we should allow people to hold multiple memberships.  I've pointed
it out to you before.  If you'd like to open the topic up for discussion
again, you should enter an item.

response 19 of 31:

Jun 14 15:58 UTC 2004

Yeah, Grex should take the money, babysit, and axe the dolts in their vast
spare time. Then, they can eventually spend some of that time in court.

I fail to see why ID is a problem, since only the account/borg-type will be
seeing it.

response 21 of 31:

Jun 14 16:30 UTC 2004

#17 of 20: by Mark A Conger (aruba) on Sun, Jun 13, 2004 (00:09):
 Re #13: Do most people have cable and DSL connections in Indonesia, or
 India, or Bulgaria?  I won't argue that Grex's connection has been stable
 lately, but I question the assertion that you can get the services Grex
 reserves for members for free elsewhere on the net.  Can you name a site
 that lets unverified people sign on for free and telnet through?  (I don't
 really know if such exists, so I'm really asking, not posturing.)

There are plenty of folks using cablemodems throughout Bulgaria.  And yes,
you can get an account at freenet.am without verification and use it to telnet
elsewhere.  There are many telnet sites.  Why is that being brought up?

I have a few questions:
Who manages the birthday program now that popcorn is off staff?
Has the router I sent to Grex been flashed for SDSL and installed yet? Who
is handling that?

response 23 of 31:

Jun 14 18:04 UTC 2004

HI< ALL!  I"M PRETTY!