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slynne
Agenda: Grex Board of Directors Meeting Monday, April 12, 2004 Mark Unseen   Apr 8 18:00 UTC 2004

Agenda: Grex Board of Directors Meeting  Monday, April 12, 2004


1.  7:00 pm Opening Gavel Tap 
2.. Treasurer's Report 
3.  Staff Report and Next Grex Update 
4.  Schedule Next Meeting 
5. New Business 
6. Closing Gavel Tap       

 The meeting will be held at aruba's house. I will let him post 
directions. 
44 responses total.
gelinas
response 1 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 8 18:46 UTC 2004

(Can we gather a bit early, so that bhoward need call only once?)
slynne
response 2 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 02:06 UTC 2004

sounds good to me
aruba
response 3 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 04:32 UTC 2004

I live at 711 Duncan Street in Ann Arbor.  Here are some directions:

Coming from outside Ann Arbor:

Take 94 to the Jackson Road exit (172).  At the corner of Jackson and
Maple (the first light you come to), turn left.  The second light after
that is Miller; turn right.  Duncan is the second right.  Turn right on
Duncan and go 3 or 4 blocks, past Haisley School.  My house is on the
right - there's a "Slow Children" sign out front.

From Ann Arbor:

Take Miller road west from downtown.  (Catherine becomes Miller when you
cross Main St.)  Go a couple miles, and Duncan Street will be on your
left.  Bruce Street is right before it, and if you get to the light at
Maple, turn around and go back.  Turn onto Duncan, and then see above.

Here's a crude map:

            \    | Maple
            __\__|________ M14
           /    \|
           |     |\
  94      /      |  \
---------        |   |\
          \      |  *|  \ Miller
-----------|-----+-  Duncan
Jackson Rd |     |
           |
            \
              \    94
                ------
soup
response 4 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 23:25 UTC 2004

That's awesome.
mary
response 5 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 12:27 UTC 2004

I'd like to see a letter sent to ArborWeb thanking them for the free
advertising they gave Grex for the longest time.  It seems the advertising
has stopped and the announcement in the MOTD is gone too. And when I look
at their advertising rates, even those for non-profits, I realize what a
courtesy it was we had ads for so long. 

Maybe we could slip this into agenda?
cmcgee
response 6 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 15:01 UTC 2004

You do know why they gave it to us for so long, don't you?  Check out their
webmaster.
mary
response 7 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 15:36 UTC 2004

Yes, very aware of that.  But I think a thank you would still be 
nice.
cmcgee
response 8 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 16:59 UTC 2004

I agree.  And notch up an explicit dollar value to the costs of recent events.
cyklone
response 9 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 21:11 UTC 2004

So Valerie took another of her "toys" and ran home? BFD. Grex does a
personal favor for a favored person, and still it isn't enough. I guess
she won't be happy until someone creates a time machine to go back and
undo history. There's a lesson in there somewhere. Maybe ya'll will learn
it . . . . 

mary
response 10 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 21:34 UTC 2004

I prefer to think this was a business decision, on the part of
ArborWeb/AA Observer, and not more fall-out from Valerie.
Their quoted rate for advertising non-profits is something like
$75 a month.  Maybe they could no longer carry Grex for free.

Would anyone object to our sending a letter thanking them for the
years of free advertising?
slynne
response 11 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 00:33 UTC 2004

I think sending a letter is a good idea. It certainly is worth a 
discussion at the meeting. I have added it to the Agenda.

Agenda: Grex Board of Directors Meeting  Monday, April 12, 2004


1.  7:00 pm Opening Gavel Tap 
2.. Treasurer's Report 
3.  Staff Report and Next Grex Update 
4.  Schedule Next Meeting 
5. New Business 
   *Thank You letter to ArborWeb
6. Closing Gavel Tap       

 The meeting will be held at aruba's house. I will let him post 
directions. 
albaugh
response 12 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 13:56 UTC 2004

> It seems the advertising
 has stopped and the announcement in the MOTD is gone too. <

Does anyone know the cause of the advertising being stopped?  Certainly if
ArborWeb provided something free of charge to grex, it should be thanked.
But if advertising suddenly ceased because of a certain person taking unusual
action which negatively affected grex in this regard (and that seems to be
the speculation), then perhaps someone else at ArborWeb ought to be contacted
about the situation...
cmcgee
response 13 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 16:00 UTC 2004

It doesn't seem unusual to me.  Arborweb was doing a favor for their
webmaster, which she is no longer interested in having them do for her. 
Valerie was gdoing grex a favor, which she is no longer interested in doing
for Grex.  

We are supposed to call up Arborweb and ask that they give us free
advertising because we're "special" to them even without Valerie's
participation in Grex? 

albaugh
response 14 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 17:05 UTC 2004

That's a good question, and probably the answer is "grex just loses out".
If this is indeed what happened, then I would consider it very, very petty.
But I won't use any names, until someone has actual proof that this certain
someone was indeed responsible for the grex perk going away.
scott
response 15 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 17:24 UTC 2004

Speaking of people being petty, it's happening right here with people bitching
about Valerie yet again.  Valerie did Grex a favor with that advertising, and
now that it's gone *she* is the one being petty?  More likely it was an
ongoing small effort to keep the Grex ad in the Observer's pages.
cmcgee
response 16 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 19:35 UTC 2004

I consider the treatment Valerie received here to be far worse than "petty".
With both the current member vote and this item, she -continues- to receive
treatment that makes me cringe.  

Unfortunately, it is those of us who remain active who now bear the brunt of
the  anti-Valerie sentiment and activity.  She is certainly not reading new
items and new responses.
jp2
response 17 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 19:57 UTC 2004

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remmers
response 18 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 21:07 UTC 2004

Re #15: As far as I know, the Grexwalk notice in the Observer is still
there and will continue to be.  What's gone is the ad on the Arborweb
website.

I was continually amazed, knowing that there's normally a nontrivial
charge for ads on ArborWeb - even for nonprofits - that the ad was
there for so long (years, in fact).  It's something that their policy
certainly didn't entitle us to.

I'd say a thank-you to them is definitely in order at this point.
cyklone
response 19 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 00:36 UTC 2004

"I consider the treatment Valerie received here to be far worse than "petty"."

What, you mean her being criticized for acting beyond her authority? Are
you by any chance refering to the outrage some of us expressed when
instead of just deleting her own words, which she ostensibly claimed to
the source of her concern, she punished an entire group of users by
deleting *their* words? Part of life is that the truth sometimes makes us
cringe. Deal with it. 

other
response 20 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 00:36 UTC 2004

This is all Jamie's fault!
jp2
response 21 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 02:03 UTC 2004

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tod
response 22 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 03:29 UTC 2004

#13 of 21: by C. S. McGee (cmcgee) on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 (12:00):
 It doesn't seem unusual to me.  Arborweb was doing a favor for their
 webmaster, which she is no longer interested in having them do for her.

Why is it that the favor was for Valerie and not for Grex? How do you know
this?  Were they doing their write-off for Valerie, too?
Somebody should call Arborweb and ask why we got pulled from their
advertising. Maybe they didn't even notice it when Valerie CENSORED our ad!
remmers
response 23 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 12:20 UTC 2004

When's the last time anybody actually saw the ad?  I seldom look at
the Arborweb site, so it could've been pulled a long time ago and I'd
never have known.  Maybe somebody noticed that the ad wasn't being
paid for, decided that it had slipped through the cracks somehow, and
deleted it.  It's a big site, and it's possible that the webmaster
isn't the only person who updates content.
tod
response 24 of 44: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 22:50 UTC 2004

Or its possible the webmaster yanked it in a frothy vehemented fervor
unbeknownst to anyone outside of that padded room aka The Popcorn Machine
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