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Cyberspace Communications finances for September 2001 Mark Unseen   Oct 1 02:01 UTC 2001

Here is the treasurer's report on Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances
through September 30th, 2001.

Beginning Balance     $4,547.52

Credits                 $672.00         Member contributions
                        $104.00         Proceeds from the 6th Grex Auction
                      $1,024.00         Donations to the Infrastructure Fund
                         $28.00         Miscellaneous donations
                   ------------
                      $1,828.00

Debits                   $72.93         Pumpkin Rent for October
                         $45.97         Electricity for September
                        $175.66         Phone Bill
                        $135.00         DSL September 15 through October 15
                          $2.04         Paypal fees (income = $65)
                   ------------
                        $431.60

Ending Balance        $5,943.92

Our current balance breaks down as follows:

$4,718.06               General Fund
  $141.86               Silly Hat Fund
   $60.00               Spare Parts Fund
$1,024.00               Infrastructure Fund

The money is distributed like this:

$5,443.92   Checking account
  $500.00   8-month 3.00% CD which comes due 5/28/2002

There was no activity in the Grex store this month, so the balances remain at:

                         Cash                                    Stock
                     ---------                                ---------
                      $149.40                                  $162.10

We had two new members (gelinas and bhoward) in September.  We are currently 
at 91 members, 87 of whom are paid through at least October 15th.  (The 
others expire today or expired recently and are in a grace period.)

Notes:

- Grex received a check for $1,024 "to be used towards improving Grex's 
hardware and sowtware infrastructure, but not towards recurring costs such 
as rent & electricity unless absolutely necessary".  The donor would like
to remain anonymous, but can receive our thanks nonetheless.  Thanks!  We've 
never received a check that big before.

- I *finally* got around to doing something about earning some interest with 
our money.  On September 10th, I went to TCF (our bank) and asked about CDs.  
They allow people to buy CDs for any number of months, but certain time 
periods are "specials" which get much higher interest than all the others.  
5 months was one of the "special" intervals, and had been for some time, 
according to Tina, the woman who explained it to me.

Tina was getting help from Katherine, who seems to have been at the bank a 
long time and to know what's going on better than anyone else around.
Katherine suggested that rather than open one big CD we might want to split 
the money among several, and stagger them.  Which is to say, open one this 
month, one next month, etc.  That way, there will always be one due soon.
So the plan I formed was to open one five-month CD each month for 5 months.

But then September 11th happened, and naturally everything changed.  The 
board members at the September meeting had agreed to the above plan, but 
when I got to the bank to try to implement it, I found that 5 months was no 
longer a "special" time period.  The shortest special time was 8 months, and 
the interest rate was down to 3.00%.

So I went ahead and put $500 (the mimimum) into an 8-month CD.  That will 
net us a whopping $10 when it comes due on May 28th.

When a CD comes due, we have one week to remove the money, else it 
automatically renews for the same period at whatever the current rate for 
that period is.  So if, come May 28th, 8 months is no longer a "special" 
period, we will get stuck with a lousy rate for the next 8 months.  So the 
current plan will require the treasurer to be very on the ball at the times 
when CDs come due.  This is kind of a pain.

So I'm re-thinking whether this is a good plan, and maybe we should find a 
money market after all.  I sure don't want to open this subject up again 
(I'm thoroughly sick of it), but maybe we need to.

Thanks to everyone who contributed in September:

arthurp, aruba, bhoward, bruin, dantana, devnull, dpc, gelinas, glenda, krj, 
mary's coworker Scott Arnold, mooncat, robh, steve, tomaso, and one person 
who wished to remain anonymous.

Thanks everyone!

If you or your institution would like to become a member of Grex, it only
costs $6/month or $60/year.  Send money to:

Cyberspace Communications
P. O. Box 4432
Ann Arbor, MI 48106-4432

If you pay by cash or money order, please include a photocopy of some form of 
ID.  I can't add you to the rolls without ID.  (If you pay with a personal 
check that has your name pre-printed on it, we consider that a good enough 
ID.)  Type !support or see http://www.cyberspace.org/member.html for more 
info.
12 responses total.
mary
response 1 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 12:17 UTC 2001

I too think all of this work over over so little interest is silly.
Keeping up with CD rolling over at frequent intervals is nuts.
Money Markets are not insured funds so Grex shouldn't mess with
that either.

I suggest we drop this whole idea until interest rates are worth
the effort.
jp2
response 2 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 14:52 UTC 2001

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gelinas
response 3 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 15:34 UTC 2001

If no one objects to my wasting my time, I'm going to stop by a few of
the local banks (Flagstar, MNB/Standard Federal, Comerica, all of whom I
do business with) to check on their offerings.  I need to do this for the
Sailing Club anyway.  I don't know that we (grex, cyberspace inc) can
do better than TCF (more money, less hassle), but I'm willing to try.
aruba
response 4 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 16:47 UTC 2001

More data would be fine.  If someone could put together a reasoned analysis
of what our options are, that would be great.  I think I've proven myself
incapable of doing so.  :)
other
response 5 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 19:15 UTC 2001

Way to break that dirty dish, Mark.  ;)
aruba
response 6 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 21:10 UTC 2001

?
keesan
response 7 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 22:14 UTC 2001

Flagstar - 2.7% and Bank of Ann Arbor - 2.6% on insured savings accounts. 
You must leave in at least $100.  Limit of 7 (or 4) cashier withdrawals per
month but you can transfer any number of times to a checking account at the
same bank, via phone or internet (24 hour availability).  $700 minimum needed
in the BoAA checking account at 0 interest.  So for $5500, if you leave, say,
$1000 in checking, interest on $4500 for a year is $117.  With little
inconvenience other than occasionally maybe moving money between accounts
(takes about a minute on the phone). Money market funds are not paying a whole
lot more, if they are paying more. Most other local banks (the ones I called)
pay about 1% on savings and require $300 minimum.  

You can take out any of all of the money at any time without penalty.
mdw
response 8 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 01:22 UTC 2001

Given that the feds have been lowering interest rates in recent months,
I doubt we'll be able to manage much right now.  Investing in the stock
market, musical instruments, or real-estate might all be better
investments, but also more risky.
swa
response 9 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 05:07 UTC 2001

Musical instruments?

I assume the "stock" in the Grex store means that we have  $162.10 worth of
stuff to sell?  What does the "cash" number there signify, then?

aruba
response 10 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 16:05 UTC 2001

Yes, the stock number is the total cost (to us) of all the items we have
remaining to sell.  The cash number started out negative, with absolute
value equal to the amount we paid to buy the initial batch of T-shirts. 
That included the cost of each shirt and also the "screen fee" (or whatever
they called it) - the overhead for setting up the printing process.

As we've sold items, I've added the amount we received for them to the cash
number, and just last April it finally turned positive, indicating that the
Grex store has made a profit.

The reason those numbers are on the report is that some people (I remember
Mary Remmers in particular) were dubious about the idea of having a "Grex
Store", and wanted to make sure we kept track of what went into and out of
it, so we didn't mislead ourselves about whether it was making us money or
not.
mdw
response 11 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 21:29 UTC 2001

Musical instruments -- well, like violins and stuff.  They're relatively
expensive, compact, and even in hard times, tend to appreciate in value,
if carefully chosen.  One of the advantages in investing in musical
instruments is there really aren't a whole lot of short cuts to be made.
Fiberglass just isn't as good as good as wood for violins, and there is
still a lot that is done by hand, especially for the better ones.  It's
kinda like investing in gold, except in the last 3 decades, musical
instruments have done much better than gold, and at times have
outperformed the stock market.  Gold, in comparison, has done only
slightly better than stuffing the money under the mattress.

On grex, of course, we invest in computer hardware, which does worse
than any of the above categories.
mary
response 12 of 12: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 23:13 UTC 2001

Yep, you remember correctly, Mark.  I didn't think placing a big
order and hoping it would sell was a good use of Grex's money.
I thought tracking it on a monthly basis would be helpful information.
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